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Who else early on saw a new scene with like, blue lights and insta-guessed it was gonna be Jessica? There's even one scene where theyre talking in a circle and the lighting behind each one of em matched. That was so great

Would make a pretty lethal drinking game

The only way i can see them surviving is that our dear loveable villain Madame Gao somehow summoned incredible power and could get trough the rubble and she brough teh Black Sky and Matt with ehr casue who cares, she might ask for soemthing later, right?

After all this time... two seasons of Daredevil and the whole of Defenders... we still don't know what the fuck the Black Sky is, do we?

Like... the Black Sky = Elektra but she fan fight a little better and faster?

They don't state she has some kind of demon in her. We don't really get what the hell her importance to Alexandra is or what she is supposed to be able to do that the other five fingers of the Hand can't... and based on that kid Stick killed, there could be multiple Black Skies I guess?

I mean... Alexandra I think refers to a prophecy but it is the vaguest bullshit ever. Prophecy of what??????

How fucking stupid is that.

theres so much hate for his little ~~ears~~ horns in this fandom. can we just appreciate how adorable they are please ?

Right. Right??

Anyone at that station puts two and two togetehr and solves who DD is. Hell. Fisk probably still has someone working in the police and informed him about those two friends the blind lawyer brought.

This one's for the people who love Foggy. The short hair. To my surprise, he's actually... Really cute that way? Is this blasphemy?

So I think it's confirmed now that Netflix MCU does (also) ignore the Sokovia Accords and superhuman registration.

Like when in Def 1.07 they said about the police keeping the protags, "Last I heard, they still have legal rights.".

Off the top of my head there's already three arguments for the police to lock them up according to the SA:
--Here we have a couple of superhumans clearly engaged in vigilante superhero bullshit, which is technically already illegal by normal law but specifically so by the Sokovia Accords according to CA:Civil War.
--Here we have a couple of superhumans that are not registered, which is mandatory and thus they are not following the law, by the Sokovia Accords according to Agents of Shield.
--Here we have a couple of superhumans, who are no longer covered by habeas corpus, meaning they can be legally arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without reason, cause, or trial, which is part of the curtailing of human and civil rights for superhumans by the Sokovia Accords according to Agents of Shield.

So status in the MCU is: the MCU movies have the Accords but ignore superhuman registration, AOS has both, and Netflix MCU has neither. Which seems like a pretty gross oversight (in both senses of the word) if we are supposed to take the MCU as one universe and not variations. Particularly CA:CW is gross in not mentioning its titular and half the protagonists and countless people losing coverage by civil and human rights.

At least Netflix MCU ignores the whole bullshitshow entirely and leaves it out of their verse instead of grossly half-assing it.

In episode three we see Jessica looking back and then the camera zoom to Matt a moment later Jessica is behind him and Matt starts running so im confusos. Was Matt following Jessica or it was the other way around?

Thinking abuout the whole Foggy/Karen dont understand Matt and lookign to all the otehr friendsghips in the shows it makes me kind of happy that in DD the acceptance torwards the hero friend is not on the go.

Trish accpeted Jesica since teh begginign and encourage her to help others.

Claire found Luke who she told him he can be more than what he wanted to be and he started helping people.

Collen is a warrior who now has a partner and they can go battling crime

But Matt has ordinary friends. Friends that only see the bad side of his nightly activities. It's a very complex relationship cause these two dotn care if the city falls appart. They just care about his friend.

Also that makes for good tv cause it will be tiring if all those friends on the four shows are so supportive of teir respective loved one.

Now. Who's gonna be Frank's friend or he's a lone wolf?

Are they going to drag his dead beat mom into this? Is she somehow mystical? WTF was up with the last scene ?

Like why not take him to a real hospital ?

In episode 5 when Jess came for Trish and they are attacked by one Finger, Trish was just on the side looking scared while Jass fought Poorly and then DD comes save her.
Did the producers really forget all the training Trish has had in the past?... I mean really....

I watched some of Iron Fist, mostly the end, and I'm not about to watch the first few episodes/Iron Fist: Businessmen Behaving Incompetently just to figure this out, so can someone please tell me if there's anything at all that even registers the fact that, if Danny went away when he was ten, he didn't go to school past fifth grade? Like...why did they even let him into the company without his having a college education? Or a high school education? Or a middle school education? And is there any explanation for how Danny is somehow past a fifth grade level in reading and math? I mean, maybe they taught some kind of math in K'un Lun (do they show him at some kind of school?), but if they did intensively teach reading...why would it have been in English?

Also, where did he learn to drive? (I know that this one isn't explained.)

I know that you can explain away a lot with He's Really Rich, but come on.

If there's a shockwave every time Danny whips his glowing fist, wouldn't that be like Matt standing next to a pile of exploding TNT? It seems highly directional, but still, for someone with Matt's heightened senses, it seems like something that would affect him when Danny breaks Elektra's sword right next to Matt, more or less above his head.

I absolutely loved the scene of Luke calling Danny out but over someone covering a murder seems to be the wrong way to get there. It seems wrong be this poor unfortunate soul had no choice but to cover up murders. Maybe this is because of my own privilege but just share your thoughts on this.

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Theory time: Madame Gao saved both Matt and Elektra