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Daredevil Prompt Post #11

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So, ugh, something happened? I lost all the "enters" somehow? I'm trying again.

[It seems that sooner or later, I always try to fill my own prompts. Let's see how this goes.]

The first time it happened, he was at home: alone and safe, two qualities that he didn't know to appreciate at the time. All he gave attention to was that air-splitting sound of water going through the pipe, an then... fear. He screamed himself hoarse, and only realized after. He was surprised none of his neighbors called the cops, but then again, none of them called the cops when when Stick was trashing his apartment, either. People were private in New York.

The second time it happened, he was out, and somewhat lucky that the Punisher didn't *actually* want him dead. Matt thought about that night a lot, remembering the shot ringing through his ears, remembering the sound of a heart stopping. If he had kept his shit together that night, a man would still be alive.

That thought is what fueled him the third time.

There was a man, another man, younger, good - still smelling of roses and perfume, and the happiness of a woman he must have been walking home not long ago... there was a man, paralyzed by fear. Right there behind them, and the street was a dead end.

The thug was bleeding already, and smelled of stale cigarettes and too much alcohol. He had a knife. He came to kill. Matt gulped in the crisp air, and followed the scent. And hit.

And hit again.

And hit again, and again, blindly, viciously, again .

He didn't know what he was hitting, until he was hitting only air before him. The ground smelled of alcohol and stale cigarettes. Matt knelt - fell - and felt around. Knife, hand, chest, shoulders. His fingers tightened around the man's throat.

Breathing. Pulse was fast, but rapidly slowing into unconsciousness. It seemed steady.

He pushed himself back up. He felt like he was shaking, but he wasn't sure.

The other man was still here. Matt opened his mouth to tell him to go, or maybe calm down the fear and adrenaline coming off him in waves; nothing came out. Right. Right.

He reached with his hand, remembering that on his right side, there should be a fire escape or... something. There was an escape there.

Rail. Yes.

He reached for it with his other hand, put the first one on the wall beside him, and ran.

:)

Okay, so - Karen seems to have a bit of an aversion to religion. That comment about her parents seems to indicate some bad memories, and rebellion, a difficult relationship and possibly assigning some blame on her parents' faith... that part really annoys me in real life, but what can you do. Anyway, no, she really doesn't seem like the "leave it to God" type of person :)

As for Matt - I think his faith is the basic feature that keeps him from becoming the Punisher after his "one bad day". I wish this struggle between "the Catholic" and "the vigilante" was shown more clearly in s. 2.

OP- Actually, in that same conversation, she pretty much sent Matt out for revenge, talk about not leaving things to God. LOL (She just didn't know he was Daredevil. Though, to be fair, he was headed that way, anyway.) Still, it could be different when the person she's been angry with is a loved one - maybe she'd be a lot less apt to go in for the kill if the person on the other end is someone she cares about. As to Karen's past - there's definitely something there they keep alluding to - it might not just be blaming her parent's faith (though, definitely a possibility)- it could also be that she just lost her own and she's bitter they still have theirs?

Yeah - it did get a little blurry. (Though, even in season 1, Father Lanthom was giving him advice on his activities as Daredevil - you can't really seperate the two. I more think of it is Atty. side v. the Vigilante. lol) Some of the big falls I was thinking of were that night he went after Fisk, but also his unhealthy relationship with Electra - he had to know the stuff they got up to in college was wrong - stealing cars, breaking into places, blowing off responsiblities... (Though, must've been fun while it lasted! lol.) (Season 2 I really need to give a re-watch - season 1 is far more clearer in my head. It's just painful to watch parts of seaon 2 at times.)

Imagine the bad guy noticing it. That would really fuck Matt up cause he will eb very vulnerable.

Ah, I think "killed someone I cared about" and "wasn't truthful with me" don't range the same at the revenge scale :)

How about a change of topic - what do you think of the "Catholic guilt" notion? I find it annoying and insulting, but maybe that's just me. I'm not native to the concept, which plays a factor, too.

AA

I think the bad guy didn't really have time to react, the way Matt went after him :)

But, yes, Matt was a bit lucky. One, because he didn't loose his target until the guy was well beyond fighting back - and two, because his target survived it. Matt pretty much let go off all preservations that he usually keeps during fighting (I hope). For the most part, it was panic, but also he had to - you can't watch how/where you hit if you can't SEE it...

Well, that, too. LOL.

The concept of "Catholic Guilt" actually, is a bit new to me in recent years. It seems like this idea that people who aren't Catholic have of us? I don't know if we feel guilt more often for things we don't necessarily need to than people of other faiths? I don't think so. I half wonder if the idea comes from people who weren't brought up with an organized religion, so they don't understand.

When I was a kid, my father left, we lost our home, and my mother nearly died a few times (she had cancer and such, anyway) - it was people from the church who reached out and helped, made us feel loved when we really, really needed it. I don't think people on the outside understand the whole community thing. (I remember, years later, as a teenager, while I was working as a cashier, a Catholic group from another local church came through my line with carriages full of groceries - they were donating Thanksgiving dinners and groceries & some toys to families in need, I started bawling my eyes out, knowing what it felt like as a kid to be on the receiving end of that.) Some people, I guess they just hear the "Thou shalt not"s of the Ten Commandments and think of the confessional (when actually, confession isn't a horrible thing. I like it - especially when it's done face to face, really, with a priest who has a good heart. I always come away feeling better than when I came in.) but, anyway, there's a whole lot more to it than that.

I'm in the process of re-watching Brotherhood and it occurs to me how much of it Matt would be able to relate to since it deals with things like losing loved ones, disabilities, moving forward no matter what, etc. So maybe in college (or anytime really) Foggy thinks it would be an awesome show to watch with Matt and he hasn't really watched it in a while so he doesn't realize how much the show might impact his emotionally-constipated roommate and he feels more and more like a horrible person as the show goes on. Or something along those lines, I just want Matt watching the show.

+10 for Matt's reactions to some of the more pivotal moments of the show

So, I just finished Jessica Jones and the superhero crap never ends for Claire. She needs massive worship from her partner. Any pairing with someone from either show.

I'm sorry about your mom and dad. Is she better now?

Your experiences with Catholicism sound heartening. It's a bit different for me - I come from an old Catholic country, with churches everywhere, most of them big enough to contain several hundreds of people at a time. We usually don't know our priests and co-parishioners very well. We just come to the mass and then go back to our lives.

It's historically based - that's how it was organised for hundreds upon hundreds of years, starting with the times of Christianization, when going to mass was basically established as the one obligation of all the new Pagans-turned-Christians around. Later when Protestants started to rebel against "the old order" they started living in the slightly controlling religious collectives that in equal part protected them and dictated their daily lives. And later still people of various faiths and descent moved out of Europe, and formed similar types of communities because they really needed it.

In the mean time, Europe went through Enlightenment period, and decided it didn't like religion all that much. Let's keep it separate from the rest of our lives - it started off as separating religion from state, but sort of escalated into creating a small pocket universe to keep your religion in. (As to my limited knowledge, at the beginning of that time NA was still a province and just didn't bother, and later was... preoccupied).

So while USA is openly and joyously religious - joint trips to grocery stores and all - us Europeans guard our faiths jealously and with suspicion of anyone who wants to steal a glimpse of it. We're not ashamed or anything, but religion isn't really a social experience for us, it's a very private one. There are a lot of activities that one can engage in within the Church, but most people don't. I personally always kept away from things like that.

...aaaand I gave you a lecture. Sorry. But now that I wrote it all down, I can't really bring myself to delete it and let all those letters go to waste. Maybe you won't be too annoyed with me.

Wow. Yeah, that would be a bit of a culture shock. So, I take it, no annual church picnic in the park with a raffle and pony rides and face painting for the kids? No church tag sale? No holiday dinners? Or pancake breakfast? The Christmas pagent with the kids? Bummer. (And, yeah, the church I grew up with was probably built in my mother's life time. And, no, it can't fit hundreds of people. LOL.) Mind if I ask what country you're from?

Yeah, my mom recovered and is doing well. :)

I'm from Poland :)

In general, no, by which I mean - it's not something people just do as a part of their routine. But you could still do a lot with the Church if you wanted to, you would just be a part of smaller bunch within a larger bunch of all of us Catholics.

The Church is most definitely present around. The most common thing to do is go on pilgrimage, usually on foot, but can also be by bus or by bike. For some reason, a bunch of priests (and some devout-volunteers that I have no idea where they get from) goes annually to the largest music festival in Poland, sets up camp and just talks with people. (On the other side of the festival field Hare Krishna sell cheap food, it's a strange place to be).

There's a youth organisation called Oasis, which... creates a community of more Church-oriented youth? My mom belonged there, and even led a group, but I never did and I'm not sure what they do. They meet up, probably talk on a chosen topic? And additionally to that, go on trips, sing, gossip and become friends. I guess.

There's a lot of singing, actually. Almost every church has at least one group that sings religious songs during mass, and a lot them have choirs - some nothing short of professional.

There's this thing called Academic Ministry, which prepares retreat for students, and when my dad was young, they also organized a set of lectures with this really cool Bible specialist.

There's lots of different small communities that you could join within the Church.

There's also lots and lots of prayer groups, first-Friday-of-the-month meetings, adorations and rosary circles. That last one is also offered to kids, but most of the former are frequented mostly by the elderly.

You go regularly to church if you prepare to a sacrament. You frequent Religion class in school. There's some quite important public figures that are priest: poets and activists, philosophers, people that have something to do and people that have something to say.

So due to ideas of more active priests, we get annual religious youth festivals, or hospices run by Church, or religious TV and radio stations. There are three Catholic universities that I can think of at the top of my head.

...But, you might want to notice, this isn't exactly community-oriented. It's more... religion-oriented? Lots of spiritual activity, not so much face painting and pancake breakfast. A lot of parish priest organize things like a cheap holiday for kids that probably couldn't afford it otherwise. My own parish priest organized a cheap day care for chronically ill children. But let me tell you, when he set up a parish football team, it was a bit odd. Not terrible, but... strange.

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very lovely idea

Matt comes across a mirror that shows you your heart’s desire.

You'd figure it'd be less than useful for him considering he can’t see it, but someone else is peering over Matt’s shoulder when he picks it up and they say, “Hey, who's that blonde dude in the suit?”

Bonus if Matt is like, Shit. Shit. Who else saw that.

Now that he's got decent health insurance Foggy goes to therapy. He keeps Matt's secrets, but he talks around them to admit that his friend had been deceiving him about some fundamental facts for the duration of their friendship. He also acknowledges how much he built his life around what Matt wanted and needed and how much it cost him, financially and emotionally.

The therapist gently points out that his friendship sounds borderline abusive. Because people don't recognise the subtler forms of abuse - it's often hard to even get them to acknowledge the more blatant stuff.

C'mon, Matt wasn't abusive. You could argue the friendship was destructive, and maybe even toxic by the end when they mostly just argued, but it wasn't abusive.

Matt didn't abuse Foggy. I', sure that abuse doesn't always have to be blatant, there are many subtle forms of abuse: manipulation, emotional abuse, verbal... but all Matt did was not tell Foggy everything, and do things with his life that Foggy didn't like.

Not telling someone something, even important, about yourself, doesn't account for abuse.

The night Matt follows Karen back to her apartment and she's attacked trying to retreive the usb memory stick - Karen recognizes Matt's voice and confronts Matt about it as the Man in the Mask... So, he tells her his secret. Later, she still makes that cassarole and offers to work for free. (Someone has to keep the Devil of Hell's Kitchen out of trouble...) She even helps him cover with Foggy - though she insists he has to tell him. How do things change?

The peering person could be Spidey. Or even Deadpool for maximum aggravation.

So, it's not a given yet, but I'm starting to think of maybe creating a network here: http://daredevilkink.dreamwidth.org/6237.html?thread=11165789#cmt11165789

Filled over here.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/7418164

Some bad guy takes Foggy knowing he's DD's confident and tries to recreate the formula that made Matt how he is.

He sucess. Matt si to late.

The thing is... Foggy is not blinded by the chemicals so his vision is also enhance to the point he cant even bear having his eyes close cause the ligth and anything it's too much for him.

Night is not better either; teh street ligths wrecked him even more and even the moonlight messes with him.

Matt doesnt know how to help him.

He only thinks on one thing.. Foggy has to be blinded.

It's a prompt anon. Dont let it get into your skin.

The therapist doesn't have to be right you know? It's the conclusion (s)he comes from working from the half-truths Foggy can provide without revealing Matt's secrets - which reads as covering up worse treatment.

Rule 1. Rule 1.

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Daredevil Prompt Post #11

Again: Fill? - "It's like something from a sitcom"

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gen, Matt watches FMA Brotherhood

Claire / any - total worship

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Re: Claire / any - total worship

Re: Claire/any, gen, not actually passed out from sex

Mirror reflects your heart’s desire (Matt/Foggy)

(frozen comment) Post S-2 Matt was abusive?

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Karen recognizes Matt's voice - Season 1 alternate timeline

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Re: Networking

FILL: Night Nurse- Claire’s Clinic

Some bad guy takes Foggy and experiments on him...

(frozen comment) Re: Post S-2 Matt was abusive?

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