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So, I just watched the first season, and I was really confused as to how the timeline worked out. I know a couple of kind anons were able to sort out the Daredevil timeline in terms of how many months the season took, and I would really appreciate if someone could help me out, bc the whole season appeared to take place over like 2 weeks or something.

On a related note, the first half of the season is clearly set before the devil shows up in papers, otherwise the creepy herohunters would have gone after him, and jessica and luke would have known there were others besides the avengers. But given what happens to Kilgrave by the end of the show, the only way Daredevil season 2 has him as the villain is if it happens before the last episode of JJ. Also, how exactly is the PD entirely crooked because of Fisk and entirely mindcontrolled by Kilgrave? Like the turnover for this district must be insane.

Also, just for reference, does anyone know where DD and JJ are set in reference to Winter Soldier and Ultron? It would be much appreciated

Well, all I know is that by ep 13 of JJ, Claire is at the point where she broke it off with Matt. So... some time after episode 11 of Daredevil (and presumably after Claire got back from wherever it was she went away to in order to take a break from Matt).

da: it struck me as strange that no-one had brought up daredevil/fisk even in passing in the previous episodes once i saw claire show up. because, yeah, timeline-wise it seems like jessica + luke should have been aware of daredevil (when claire said luke "wasn't her first" i figured jess would ask who else she helped and maybe that's how it'd tie in)

OP here: So first of I was super misinformed when i thought Kilgrave was going to be in DD, it must have been some speculation from a while ago that I didnt check for accuracy. So actually, about the Claire thing, I think the whole thing might take place before DD, in terms of ep 13 of JJ having Claire talking about saving Matt from the dumpster/related mishaps, instead of after she leaves and comes back, perhaps? I also was getting super sleepy from mainlining all of JJ by then, so i may have missed something that indicated that she had already gone wherever and come back, but it might make more sense?

Although, I guess you are right, in that the opposite problem arises. Jessica and Luke were around for Fisk takeover or Matt was around for Kilgrave, and they didn't interact or intervene at all. They weren't even aware the other event happened, and both villains pretty clearly affected the entire neighborhood.

claire says (to jessica) "I had... have a friend like you and Luke."

the way she says "had" then corrects herself leads me to believe it's sometime after whichever daredevil episode (it's so late here i can't remember the exact episode) it is where she leaves, but i also feel like the only rational explanation for daredevil never being mentioned is that it takes place before matt officially becomes daredevil (that happens in episode thirteen right)

so my best (1 A.M) guess is: after claire leaves but before matt actually dons the daredevil costume/is officially named BUT the problem with that is that i don't think enough time would have passed between those two daredevil episodes for claire to have gone away and come back to work and be there to help jessica/luke

.....if that makes sense at all!! (it's going to bug me until it gets worked out hah)

i was the ayrt by the way!!

OP: no, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and I definitely forgot Claire says that, it fits much better your way. Yeah, the timeline's been bugging me for most of today, but i think its probably just marvel getting lazy. Its like the thing where most of the marvel movies make more sense if the other avengers weren't just disappeared while the title character does their own thing.

If they'd put any effort into it, I could believe that they were aware of each other to an extent, but their paths never crossed.

'The Devil' was just kind of around doing his own thing until Fisk exploded the Russians. Jessica might see him, but she had no reason to seek him out.

Matt would hear about Kilgrave, but he doesn't have a list of goons to punch the information out of like Fisk did. Unless he was working with Jessica, he'd only hear about the kilgravings when it was too late to so anything

Jessica might see a sudden influx in blind Asian people and sketchy rich people cars, but even after the bombings she doesn't have enough of an investment in the Kitchen itself to go after the mob. Once Kilgrave comes back, nothing else really matters, and she isn't going to team up with The Devil when she doesn't know or trust him.

Tl;dr: I could have believed it if Marvel had made any effort to explain, but they didn't

Remind me again how long ago Jessica was mind controlled by Kilgrave...

It wasn't that long ago, right? Maybe she was controlled all throughout the rise of Daredevil and the Fisk debacle.

i kind of thought it had been a while, but i'm mostly basing that on hair. in the flashbacks to the bus incident her hair is significantly shorter-- but maybe her hair grows super quick.

DA: Wasn't it 7 months or something? I think Trish says it's been that long in the first episode but maybe I'm imagining it.

So not ages but not a short time either.

they could have even just had like a lazy, throw-away mention of daredevil + it would have been enough. like, have daredevil be mentioned in a news broadcast, played in the background.

it just seems extra lazy since earlier on (episode four i think) jessica + luke were talking about whether there was anyone else like them and neither knew of anyone else. so when claire says luke isn't her first and then she talks about matt making life hard for bad guys i assumed jessica would have asked who she was talking about. i mean, if it was me and someone told me there was someone else like me running around the city i'd want a couple details.

i understand claire would have been reluctant to answer ( she wouldn't even tell foggy anything) but that jessica didn't even ask seems a little implausible.

Does anyone know that DD has superpowers, though? I got the impression that everyone just thinks he's a vigilante.

yeah, that's why i was thinking it might be set before he actually becomes daredevil. i feel like man in the mask = regular dude moonlighting as a vigilante / daredevil = superhero/
(also, this might be a dumb question but do people think daredevil is a totally different guy to the man in the mask???)

so if it was during the man in the mask stage it'd make sense that no one counted him but claire talking about luke not being her first special patient should have made jessica interested in who she was referencing.

DA: That doesn't mean people think Daredevil has powers. Tony Stark is a superhero but it's well known he doesn't have any actual powers just the mind capable of building the suit. If Daredevil in both his stages has continually failed to exhibit signs of superpowers - like extreme strength, speed etc - it's reasonable to argue that Jessica and Luke have assumed he doesn't have any. They might be interested in finding out a bit more about him because of the work he does (like in the prequel comic to Jessica Jones).

The Claire comment though should have made Jessica interested but maybe she was too stressed to register it at the time.

I kind of assumed it's been the same amount of time IRL as it has been in the show - about 6 months between DD and JJ.

Early on in JJ, Trish mentions Jessica having avoided her for something like 6 months. There's also a Trish line that goes "Oh yeah, you became a PI, right?" or something along those lines, with Jessica then asking if Trish has been keeping tabs on her. So Jessica hasn't been a PI long, only setting up shop within the timeframe she's been out of Trish's life. And considering how Trish knows so many details of what Jessica went through and her recovery methods (they discuss her PTSD) there must have been a period of time between Jessica escaping Kilgrave and then cutting Trish out.

So I assumed DD must have happened when Jessica was only recently free of Kilgrave's influence. That would explain why she was in no way involved in DD and didn't mention it in JJ - she would have been (understandably) too preoccupied with her own recovery to care about Fisk and the Russian mob and some guy in black pyjamas. But maybe hearing about all that sketchy shit going down in some way inspired her PI business - knowing there was so much going down in her backyard and finding her own way to be involved without being a hero.

Plus six months would be a decent amount of time for Claire to have her break away from Matt and then be settled back into her normal routine, only for her to get dragged back into looking after people with powers. (If DD and JJ happen too close together, Claire's unfortunate timing and luck could start to feel a little ridiculous.)

I think they kept DD completely separate from JJ because (a) they're saving any reaction the JJ characters might have about Matt for when their paths actually cross and they can spend a decent amount of time on that without sidetracking the JJ plot, and (b) revealing anything about Matt on JJ could step on the toes of season two of DD. There's a precedent for that with the Marvel movies - before the Avengers had met, it was mostly other characters like Fury and Coulson that provided the link between films with their cameos. Even when future Avengers did show up, like Natasha in Iron Man 2 and Clint in Thor, it was Avengers who didn't have their own movies, so they needed to be introduced in others. Jessica and Luke's story is tied together, so it makes sense Luke would be in JJ, and if Iron Fist ever gets cast I wouldn't be surprised to see Danny in Luke's show, due to how important their friendship becomes. But Matt feels more separate - if he meets Jessica or Luke or Danny before the Defenders, I imagine it would need to be a decently big moment and important to the plot of that show, rather than just a cameo.

DD seemed to end in late Autumn (based on clothes, among other things), and JJ starts in Winter (based on snow). I think JJ starts a month or two after DD and ends in late Spring (again, based on clothes).

Well there's a free Prequel Comic to Jessica Jones that has Daredevil in it - in the Daredevil suit. So they probably intend for it to be set after the events in Daredevil?

But the lack of reference to him in show makes it a bit tougher to accept this. I like the idea of the series happening around the same time.

I'm thinking it happened in real time. Before Jessica was captured it was eighteen months ago. She was gone for eight months. When Daredevil started (let's say March) that would have been right when Jessica just got out from under Kilgrave's thumb. Since then she's been in and out of therapy and has set up a PI Business successful enough to pay for her rent and living expenses. Based on all of this and her conviction that she is no longer a hero and just wants to keep to herself, it makes sense that she dgaf about anything crazy happening in the kitchen that she hasn't been hired to investigate. Truthfully, I imagine that for many people in the Kitchen, Fisk's arrest was just another lousy rich politician getting what he deserved. Satisfying and newsworthy for a while, but not unexpected.

The hero hunters have no reason to suspect that Matt has superpowers if they even have a clear grasp on who he is. Matt works mainly at night and besides being super good at martial arts and gymnastics he doesn't demonstrate any powers. He still bleeds if you stab him, he has no lazer eyes, and he's not super strong. Meanwhile Jessica can stop a moving car by standing in front of it and threatened a guy with her 'lazer eyes.' She does this without wearing a mask and not bothering to lower her voice or hide. Jessica and Luke themselves also have no reason to think Matt is like them.

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