daredevilkink | Discussion/Off-Topic Post #1

O RLY? What formats does Unlimited do? Is it just for iPads?

same anon;
Mostly I mean that during Waid's run Matt is in a very different place in his life. While he is fundamentally the same person as TV!Matt he's had a longer/different history and some Bad Shit's gone down in his life that he's dealing with. Matt reacts to things differently, and not only that he's got a different context to react to (his reality is very different from the mcu and from our reality).
So Matt's going to read as a different person in some ways in comparison to TV!Matt

Not only that but the way Waid, Samnee & the various colourists represent the reality. In comparison to the show, and to previous comics, volumes 3 & 4 are much brighter & features stronger bolder linework separating objects and space. This forces the audience to view the story/reality in a different way (eg; while there is violence & horror in these comics I don't view it as... strongly/darkly as i might in other comics or the tv show???).

So DD v3 & 4 are comicky, but I don't think that that works against them in a way that 'not realistic' might suggest. I would actually say that by the creative team embracing a comic book medium, they have allowed for a more natural representation of the reality that comics!Matt experiences. The thoughts, actions and feelings of the characters and world come across very clearly and understandably. (and for me that's at the crux of a 'realistic' media. Not by how I can compare it to my reality. But how easily I can understand the rules that underpin the fictional reality and the consistency with which concepts and personalities are presented)

Idk.. if this is clear at all... or even relevant to what u were asking/saying. Sorry lol. I just love talking about comics and adaptations im so interested in that.

Daredevil has traditionally been quite dark in tone, at least for the last couple of decades. There's a lot of death and psychological breakdowns in Matt's past. Waid's version is a lot lighter, and the art is a lot lighter too.

i.e Take this cover from very recently

http://houseofflyingscalpels.com/2015/05/02/cover-of-the-week-294-daredevil-15-by-chris-samnee-matt-wilson/

And compare it to stuff like

https://markbertolini.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/alex-maleev.jpg
http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/4531109/4.-Brian-Michael-Bendis-and-Alex-Maleev.jpg
http://pelerinli.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tumblrlgllhduta41qziacgo11280.jpg

Huge difference in tone.

NA, but wow that first cover has my interest. If I wanted to jump in mostly for Kirsten McDuffie, and to understand whatever's going on, where would the best place to start?

It does iPhone, iPad, android. Theoretically it has a web version, but I found it to be kinda buggy. It's easier than I though to read on my phone (android) since it has an option to view one panel at a time. Do eeeeet

I think you'd want to start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Daredevil-Vol-1-Mark-Waid/dp/0785152385

Full discloser - I've read the first dozen issues of Mark Waid's run, but it was a while ago and my memory is terrible. So I don't remember when Kirsten McDuffie is introduced, but I think it's near the beginning. Even if she isn't, this is a good starting place. It's great storytelling and wonderful art.

I started reading Marvel comics after the first Iron Man movie came out, but I didn't read any Daredevil until Mark Waid's recent run. That said, I encountered his character sometimes in Alias and Avengers comics. (I think he and Foggy were the very first issue of New Avengers, when there's a break-out on The Raft, which is one of the first comics I read.)

Also, prior to reading any DD comics, I read the ship_manifesto for Foggy/Matt, so I got a pretty good idea of the characters from that.

http://ship-manifesto.livejournal.com/167892.html

(different anon)

I just checked my copy, and Kirsten is introduced in Waid's very first issue. So yeah, vol 1 is the place to start. It's a great read and Kirsten is a fun character.

Anon who asked where to start: Thank you! I have it and I was in love from the moment they opened with Matt just hanging out on the side of a church. This is the good stuff.

DA- Yay, I'm glad you're enjoying it! There's an issue not too far in with snow and a bus full of kids that just does things to my heart. I think I stopped shortly after that (no particular reason, I'm just in the middle of so many comics) but I really need to pick it up again. I think this will give me the push to do so!

I read the DD comics on and off from the late 80s through the late 90s or early 00s. I'm still upset that Charlie Cox is Insufficiently Ginger, but it's practically my only complaint about the show, which is certainly praising with faint damnation.

If I had shame, I would be embarrassed to admit that I'm on my 11th watch-through. I am, however, amazed to find myself shipping Matt+Claire SO HARD. I'm not usually into het!ships, but damn their chemistry was SCORCHING. I'm also violently anti Matt+Karen (which is probably weird for a comic fan? IDK), though I'll be shocked if that isn't where they go.

Um... most of that isn't what you asked. :D

I read comics, but mostly DC, which I got into after being really in love with Batman: the animated series when I was a teen. I'm an enormous Nightwing fan and tbh Daredevil (TV) has a really Nightwing vibe to me, which is prob why I loved it so much. I mean, in terms of fighting style Matt might as well be Dick Grayson with an anger management problem (and blind obvs).

Haven't read any daredevil comics yet because I'm kind of afraid I won't like it as much as I liked the show.

The web version is the least intuitive image reader I've ever used. Mainly because it goes side to side instead of up and down like most others. So no scrolling to change the page. Plus, issues with that annoying banner. I'm fine with it now, but it was annoying at first. I understand why they did it though, if you're new it probably makes more sense to go from side to side like a book.

DA

The bus full of kids issue was where I really fell in love with this run. So fantastic.

same as mostly everyone else, i've been reading comics since like early last year but i only recently picked up waid's daredevil....the closest i came to matt before that was when he went up againsy jennifer walters aka she-hulk in court. my first impression of him was that he was sort of a smug bastard but after finishing volume 3 and beginning volume 4 i can say...i was absolutely right lol. matt can be a bastard a lot of the time but his depression and the way he copes is undeniably well written by waid and i appreciate that

Have you read http://archiveofourown.org/works/3881719 ?

Reading other replies, I'm starting to feel old...

Sorry for posting this on the main -- the ETA with the discussion post flew right over my head (mostly because I've been checking this thing super late at night).

But yeah the abridged version -- I am not in fandom, haven't been in years. Are there any resources for finding betas for either anonymous memes or generally for Daredevil fandom, because one fill I've been avoiding for a while is because it's a big-bang sized monstrosity and I know my writing -- for anything over 5k words, I need a beta. I'd love some tips on finding resources, anons, if you know of anything for this aged old-school estranged fandom hag.

Keep on anoning on.

What's the prompt you're interested in writing the long story for? idk about resources but I'm a person with fairly good grammar/spelling skills who has a lot of time on her hands currently (starting now, til Sept) and I'd be interested in offering, depending on the story. I've betaed a long of longfic in the XMFC fandom a few years ago, although I was rarely the only beta for those stories.

I've been out of fandom for a long time as well; by which I mean I still read fic occasionally but haven't written in a few years until I started toodling around with some fills here. I've seen a few people expressing something similar. There's something about DD that pulls fic writers out of retirement lol.

As for your question, kinkmemes in general tend to be un-beta'd as far as my understanding goes. The author does their own editing and posts it. As a result, the quality kind of varies, typos get missed, but on the other hand, quicker fills keep the meme more lively. Daredevil (netflix version, at least) is a new fandom so I doubt anything is really in place for betas. We could make it happen, though?

The Mirrorverse!AU one is the big one -- I also filled a Karen as a Red Room agent with a small, vignette-style fill and was considering fleshing that out into a full rework.

For the Mirrorverse!AU one, it's probably going to be an actual episodic rework of the series if I do do it, which, I'm hoping to limit myself to roughly 5k an episode, but there's 13 episodes, so.

Again, even if neither of these is up your alley, thanks so much for even being willing to offer.

I know, for real, DD is the crack that brings all the kids back to the yard.

I mean, I do know they're generally unbeta'd. It's kind of embarrassing to me to even ask, since I feel like I'm breaking some unspoken rule. First time I've ever even felt the need to ask because I don't generally flesh stuff out to grand proportions. Or if I'd wanted to, like... back when I was in anime fandom, I had a community I could ask. And normally, I'm not planning on filling anything for over 5k -- there was one back on the Star Trek kinkmeme for the first reboot movie that was 8k and that was pushing it for me.

The only reason I'm reaching out now is because I'm probably going to deanon for this, since it's a Mirrorverse!AU where the plan is to do an episodic rework at a pace of about 5kish an episode (for 13 episodes, so yeah).

yoooooooo, that sounds AWESOME. This is totally my thing, i have an astronomical narrative boner for mirrorverse aus.. if you want, hmu at etirabys at gmail dot com, and if you want to check my fic to see if i am at a level where i can in any way give you help, my ao3 is halcedry.

altho halcedry is a really recent url change that ao3 search will not bring it up. you'll find me if you search for etirabys though.

matt's dad died for him // fisk killed his
also the drink thing, fisk's dad giving his son some // matt w patching his dad up
"surprises acquaintances with foreign language ability'
the stammering (matt is a good public speaker but when he feels vulnerable or off guard he stutters a bit)
both very physical people, like matt hurling away his laptop away in a fit of rage
lower class background obvs

someone talk to me about all this omg, i'm fascinated.

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