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matt's dad died for him // fisk killed his
also the drink thing, fisk's dad giving his son some // matt w patching his dad up
"surprises acquaintances with foreign language ability'
the stammering (matt is a good public speaker but when he feels vulnerable or off guard he stutters a bit)
both very physical people, like matt hurling away his laptop away in a fit of rage
lower class background obvs

someone talk to me about all this omg, i'm fascinated.

I'm still stuck on the abuse-in-childhood parallels, which I think are fantastic. (accidentally fantastic? did the show mean to draw those parallels? i go back and forth between yes, they're intentional, and no, probably not) but. i mean. you've got two victims of abuse who grow up to express their tempers in physical ways! mostly it's not excused! it is presented as A Bad Thing!

The way Matt beats the abusive father in his first vigilente act and the way Fisk beats Matt are almost the SAME FIGHT SCENE.

I found this amazingly horrible.

THAT WAS AMAZING.

I'm pretty sure it's intentional, it's too obviously played with:

They both have the same goal - making Hell's Kitchen a better place -, but a very different understanding of what that entails.

They both think that the ends justify the means. ("What are you going to do?" - "Whatever it takes.") The difference is in where they draw the line.
They're both physical to the point of violence. Again, the difference is in where they draw the line.

They both have interpersonal/commitment issues, both find ways to get close to a select few. The difference here is who, and how, and how that closeness works.

It's even alluded to in imagery: Rabbit in a snowstorm and a world on fire. The pictures Vanessa introduces to the two are almost identical in artistic style and intention, but differ radically in colour and therefore in mood and expression.

The difference between those pictures is more or less the difference between the men.

Oh yeah, I think it's intentional too - I'm SO delighted by how they did it.

I didn't notice that with the paintings before - I should have, that's an excellent point.

sdlkfjlkj. Sidenote: I'm just SO in love with Fisk + walls/the white painting, and how it follows him around and changes meaning for him (and ultimately comes back to the same thing - I gotta say, my heart fucking broke for him at the end.

Matt, of course, never gets to escape the world-on-fire perception of the world.

ayrt:

I absolutely love that they chose to give Fisk some psychological depth. None of this redeems him in any way, it makes his actions all the more frightening by giving them a rationale beyond "for the evulz". DiOnofrio said that Fisk is "a child and a monster", and that's exactly what is going on there: He never stepped out of that living room where he killed his father, and he never even tries (cufflinks!). (At least not before Vanessa, and she just makes him more dangerous, for a number of reasons that would make this post explode.)

As for Matt...

I think the show is going for sacrifice vs. self-sacrifice here. Fisk killed his father, Matt's father got himself killed for Matt. Matt puts his life on the line for his goal, Fisk puts that of others on the line and does his damndest to keep himself out of the line of fire (he is just the "employer".)

It's a pretty classic fire and ice thing...

Great, now I want to write a whole freaking essay about this.

YES, I've seen some comments about Fisk being woobified, but I rly don't think that's what they were doing. The fact that he can love and care about people and then crush someone's head in a car door is precisely why he's so terrifying-- we like to believe that there's a hard line between evil and good, and Fisk completely fucks that up. (Whereas I think we're more accustomed to heroes who are a little dark.)

Same anon: Forgot to add that "compare & contrast" for a superhero and their main villain is extremely popular, and often the way the villain is constructed.

^ same anon as the original "compare the paintings" comment, that is. XD Posting almost at the same time is confusing.

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