daredevilkink | Discussion/Off-Topic Post #1

Hey guys!
I have a quick question just because im curious!;

How many of you guys were reading comics before you watched Daredevil? And had your read any daredevil comics before watching?

Also how many of you picked up a daredevil comic because you enjoyed the TV show so much?

I was reading comics! Though not Daredevil. The closest I came to that character were minor appearances in Ultimate Spider-Man (and that was Ultimate Daredevil, so...) and the Darkdevil character in Spider-Girl.

The show inspired me to start reading Waid's run on Daredevil. I love it like crazy, even though it's pretty different from the show. But I think I've heard that it's ending soon? I'm so sad to see Waid go.

Was reading comics and was reading Daredevil before the show. Read all the Bendis and Waid stuff, and half of the Brubaker. I'm not into Miller's writing so I've not read that, and tbh, I'm probably not going to.

Seconding "was a comics reader but not DD" I freely admit that I only started watching because Charlie Cox is hot.

I'm a huge Cap fan, and I've read a lot of Iron Man. Cap/Ms Marvel, Saga, allllll the lady comics.

I might actually have to read some DD now that I've read about his depression. Any recs? (Pls don't say Frank Miller)

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I only started reading daredevil comics after the show, I've mostly been reading Mark Waid's runs v3 & v4. (Regarding Matt's depression I find how Waid treats it in the narrative really nice. There's a focus on Matt exploring how he feels and learning how to manage his depression. and regardless Waid is a stand up writer in general. The tone is very different from the show though, although just as violent/creepy in some ways.)
I also enjoyed Kesel's run in volume 1 (around the 300's I think it was). Not the best I've ever read but it was fun, though I'm possibly bias from my love of Kesel on Superboy. & I am really caught up in the details of Foggy's family drama they went into around this time.

I was thinking about Waid's runs! Thanks for the rec. What do you mean about the tone?

I rly like the quasi-realism of the show and I've always gotten the impression that comics DD was more... comicky?

same anon;
Mostly I mean that during Waid's run Matt is in a very different place in his life. While he is fundamentally the same person as TV!Matt he's had a longer/different history and some Bad Shit's gone down in his life that he's dealing with. Matt reacts to things differently, and not only that he's got a different context to react to (his reality is very different from the mcu and from our reality).
So Matt's going to read as a different person in some ways in comparison to TV!Matt

Not only that but the way Waid, Samnee & the various colourists represent the reality. In comparison to the show, and to previous comics, volumes 3 & 4 are much brighter & features stronger bolder linework separating objects and space. This forces the audience to view the story/reality in a different way (eg; while there is violence & horror in these comics I don't view it as... strongly/darkly as i might in other comics or the tv show???).

So DD v3 & 4 are comicky, but I don't think that that works against them in a way that 'not realistic' might suggest. I would actually say that by the creative team embracing a comic book medium, they have allowed for a more natural representation of the reality that comics!Matt experiences. The thoughts, actions and feelings of the characters and world come across very clearly and understandably. (and for me that's at the crux of a 'realistic' media. Not by how I can compare it to my reality. But how easily I can understand the rules that underpin the fictional reality and the consistency with which concepts and personalities are presented)

Idk.. if this is clear at all... or even relevant to what u were asking/saying. Sorry lol. I just love talking about comics and adaptations im so interested in that.

Daredevil has traditionally been quite dark in tone, at least for the last couple of decades. There's a lot of death and psychological breakdowns in Matt's past. Waid's version is a lot lighter, and the art is a lot lighter too.

i.e Take this cover from very recently

http://houseofflyingscalpels.com/2015/05/02/cover-of-the-week-294-daredevil-15-by-chris-samnee-matt-wilson/

And compare it to stuff like

https://markbertolini.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/alex-maleev.jpg
http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/4531109/4.-Brian-Michael-Bendis-and-Alex-Maleev.jpg
http://pelerinli.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tumblrlgllhduta41qziacgo11280.jpg

Huge difference in tone.

NA, but wow that first cover has my interest. If I wanted to jump in mostly for Kirsten McDuffie, and to understand whatever's going on, where would the best place to start?

I think you'd want to start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Daredevil-Vol-1-Mark-Waid/dp/0785152385

Full discloser - I've read the first dozen issues of Mark Waid's run, but it was a while ago and my memory is terrible. So I don't remember when Kirsten McDuffie is introduced, but I think it's near the beginning. Even if she isn't, this is a good starting place. It's great storytelling and wonderful art.

(different anon)

I just checked my copy, and Kirsten is introduced in Waid's very first issue. So yeah, vol 1 is the place to start. It's a great read and Kirsten is a fun character.

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I started reading Marvel comics after the first Iron Man movie came out, but I didn't read any Daredevil until Mark Waid's recent run. That said, I encountered his character sometimes in Alias and Avengers comics. (I think he and Foggy were the very first issue of New Avengers, when there's a break-out on The Raft, which is one of the first comics I read.)

Also, prior to reading any DD comics, I read the ship_manifesto for Foggy/Matt, so I got a pretty good idea of the characters from that.

http://ship-manifesto.livejournal.com/167892.html

I read the DD comics on and off from the late 80s through the late 90s or early 00s. I'm still upset that Charlie Cox is Insufficiently Ginger, but it's practically my only complaint about the show, which is certainly praising with faint damnation.

If I had shame, I would be embarrassed to admit that I'm on my 11th watch-through. I am, however, amazed to find myself shipping Matt+Claire SO HARD. I'm not usually into het!ships, but damn their chemistry was SCORCHING. I'm also violently anti Matt+Karen (which is probably weird for a comic fan? IDK), though I'll be shocked if that isn't where they go.

Um... most of that isn't what you asked. :D

Reading other replies, I'm starting to feel old...

I would totally have rewatched the show like 5 times already if my schedule hadn't been so busy lately. As it is, we're doing a weekly episode watch with friends, so I'm currently pretending to see everything for the first time even though I marathoned all of S1 in a week.

You're... you're on your 11th watch-through? Why aren't you my best friend?! OMG. I'm on my third watch-through but only because I keep hitting pause and rewind, so each episode lasts like 4 hours...

SA, I forgot to mention that I was also troubled by the lack of ginger (and maybe the lack of height, because MM has always been a 6 foot ginger for me), but I have noticed that in the direct sunlight Charlie's hair does go decidedly auburn, which has soothed my irrational butthurt over that. :) No, seriously, after the first watch-through, Charlie IS and always has been Matt Murdock. Which impresses the hell right out of me.

I read comics, but mostly DC, which I got into after being really in love with Batman: the animated series when I was a teen. I'm an enormous Nightwing fan and tbh Daredevil (TV) has a really Nightwing vibe to me, which is prob why I loved it so much. I mean, in terms of fighting style Matt might as well be Dick Grayson with an anger management problem (and blind obvs).

Haven't read any daredevil comics yet because I'm kind of afraid I won't like it as much as I liked the show.

same as mostly everyone else, i've been reading comics since like early last year but i only recently picked up waid's daredevil....the closest i came to matt before that was when he went up againsy jennifer walters aka she-hulk in court. my first impression of him was that he was sort of a smug bastard but after finishing volume 3 and beginning volume 4 i can say...i was absolutely right lol. matt can be a bastard a lot of the time but his depression and the way he copes is undeniably well written by waid and i appreciate that

I tend not to read most comics because I don't like the way the artists/writers change around all the time. I do pick things up occasionally; I think I read the first volume of Waid's Daredevil run. Most of my knowledge of the character came from the terrible 2003 movie though, and his appearance in Marvel 1601 (or whatever that Elizabethan AU one is called.)

I cut my teeth on comics, literally, so the short answer is yes, have read them long before they ever started showing up at the cinema and small screen. TBH, they're usually not that great, but the Netflix DD is probably the best amalgam representation I've ever seen of a character. So much love there.

I've been reading comics since I learned to read, but they were mostly like, Garfield, Calvin & Hobbes, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, eventually manga, that sort of thing. Grew up watching anything Superman I could find and the animated Batman cartoons, but only got into superhero comics and Marvel (mostly Captain America) after Avengers. Still haven't read any DD other than excerpts online, but I definitely plan to!

Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is one of my favorite comics. <3

Were you in the fandom? Did you ship Nny/Edgar? Because Matt's Catholic guilt is making me majorly nostalgic for Edgar Vargas.

I fell in love with Iron Man and Captain America in the comics after watching the MCU, and so I was heavily into that but hadn't read a lot of DD prior to the show. I had picked up Waid's run and found it interesting but wasn't invested because I was only a casual reader.

After the show, I went back and read through as much DD as I could. I actually did go back to Miller, and I will say this: even though I usually HATE Frank Miller and I 100% get why some people are adamant that they won't read his stuff, his work on DD was actually really great. It surprised me, pleasantly. I did not hate, and was actually genuinely moved by, the initial Elektra arc and would recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone who wants to get into the comics to see where the show might be heading in Season 2. Although man, Matt does treat a bunch of women like shit during Miller's run and it's not so nice to Karen Page.

I have to say that while I am all onboard the Waid love happening here (and love, LOVE Chris Samnee's art and appreciate the lighter tone of the stories), I absolutely fell apart reading Brian Michael Bendis' run, particularly Out (which is the arc where Matt's identity is first revealed publicly). I was not a huge Bendis fan prior to reading it, but now I would say it's one of my favourite comics I've ever read. The art, by Alex Maleev, is astonishingly good, and the way that the plot completely breaks Matt down as a character and re-examines him in a new way, and the way that it evolves his relationships with Foggy, Kingpin, and everyone in his life is really moving and fascinating. Especially when you compare what Smith and Brubaker each did in their runs where they were kind of just repeating the dark tortured themes Miller set up to the point where it's painful to read, Bendis found a pretty impressive and original angle on Matt that I thoroughly enjoyed, and will likely read again soon. I highly recommend to anyone who doesn't want to start with Miller to start there - Bendis' Daredevil Vol. 1 is truly epic.

http://www.amazon.com/Daredevil-Michael-Bendis-Ultimate-Collection/dp/0785143882/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435023403&sr=8-1&keywords=brian+bendis+daredevil

I started reading comics in the 80s, starting with G.I.Joe, settling on Marvel's myriad mutant titles and Daredevil, and eventually branching out to some occasional manga and Image titles. I probably started reading DD in 87ish, and read it until the early 00s, when I couldn't afford to feed the addiction anymore.

After watching the show, I got a Marvel Unlimited account and went to town.

Now I'm probably reading more titles than I did back in the height of my collecting days.