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As an aside - I think in his head James is much more vulgar than outside of it. He grew up half-on the streets and then surrounded by criminals, with an alcoholic father. He knows some words.

Well, the transmiter is broken, but there's still PAST records. And Matt had been to a lot of questionable places. We'll think of something.

At the moment, what comes to mind is that the city/government realised personal tracker records together with all the slave data, and Foggy, worried and suspicious, checks Matt's. And he notices a pattern.

And that's how he discovers his friend is a masked vigilante.

First aid kit _in the break room._

Maybe it's (also?) how Vanessa finds out? Or did Wilson tell her? But if he did, I wonder why ahe didn't go to join Matt’s punishment.

Foggy finding out from the records... Ouch.

"Someone would have lost their head, and bloody" OPS 🤣

"Miss Page..."

"Slaves don't have last names or titles."

Matt sighs inwardly. "Sorry, uh, Karen. Karen, could you please stop poisoning my coffee?"

"I would never" Karen lies, putting on an affronted tone. "Not that you would need any proof to punish me, of course, sir."

It's kind of amazing how she can say that word with a perfect mix of fake respect and clear disgust.

Matt agrees with the sentiment. "I'm not going to punish you."

"Of course not, you're so nice, sir. More coffee?"

Matt doesn't manage to keep the sigh in this time.

[I think you missed this? Let me know what you think. Also, I copied all the fragments I could find to the doc. Added a couple comments. And copied some of the most relevant discussion pieces to the discussion doc.]

I pictured Vanessa's Gallery women like living sculptures of some sort? Posing in their assigned positions, maybe some dancing/painting/singing.

They'd be complementary to actual art pieces, probably.

About the friend being ugly, would Vanessa take an ugly woman for her Gallery? Maybe as a simple miller.

No idea how Retsuko and Lan Fen could befriend her, though, especially without Vanessa knowing. So we're confirming Retsuko is included in a composition, as the small stream? Even so, that would probably be what she does when she's in the Gallery, and it's not like she can move away from her composition to befriend other people. (Plus, communication problems. She can't easily communicate with anyone who doesn't know a sign language, does the miller just happen to know ASL? Lan Fen might know CSL for some reason.)

Retsuko would spend her nights/most of her free time near Vanessa, wouldn't she? As her personal maid. (Actually, Vanessa's two personal maids might share a room on James' floor? It would make sense for practicality.)

😈 XD

James knows Wilson well, doesn't he xd

Hm, we do have to figure out both of those things. And also how Fisk finds out, and how he captures Matt. Things to consider.

I pictured Vanessa's Gallery women like living sculptures of some sort? Posing in their assigned positions, maybe some dancing/painting/singing.

This sounds good! I had similar thoughts and wasn't really convinced, but I can see it now. I'd say it's usually moving sculptures, performing gestures and assigned activities and such. I still have to think about it a bit, there's a huge disconnect between almost-equal of a court maiden and almost a wax figure that Vanessa moves hands of into perfect position. But we'll figure it out:)

They'd be complementary to actual art pieces, probably.

Oh, I love that! Didn't think of it before.

About the friend being ugly, would Vanessa take an ugly woman for her Gallery? Maybe as a simple miller.

The horrifying answer is that some art pieces and periods were fascinated with ugliness rather than beauty. Vanessa might keep a whole small group of women that are "beloved" by her BECAUSE they're ugly. Sort of like those roadside freak shows that used to travel around and show off people with deformities as circus entertainment.

The upside to that is that we suddenly have a whole bunch of ugly characters that can be amazing and interesting and attractive by personality and have their own stories and... you get the picture. Yeah, I think I like that idea.

No idea how Retsuko and Lan Fen could befriend her, though, especially without Vanessa knowing.

It doesn't have to be without V knowing. Just against the rules.

I think Retsuko might be drawn to "freak show" women. She had been mutilaited too. Her "deformity" may be invisible, but it is vosceraly felt. I feel like maybe she doesn't feel like she belongs there, in art and beauty and a perfect world of "small streams" and princesses. But she belongs with the freak show. She understands them. They understand her.

So we're confirming Retsuko is included in a composition, as the small stream? Even so, that would probably be what she does when she's in the Gallery, and it's not like she can move away from her composition to befriend other people.

When I say composition, I don't mean it quite that literally. Just the group you belong to, the nook you belong to, things like that. And outside of actual expositions, they can move quite freely. And intermingle: move past each other, exchange a few words, have surface-level conversations. If you search for "harem" in google images you'll find paintings that show women sitting around in small groups, with the knowledge that other groups are sitting around them. That's kind of what I had in mind, only with less choice more pretenscious.

Plus, communication problems. She can't easily communicate with anyone who doesn't know a sign language, does the miller just happen to know ASL? Lan Fen might know CSL for some reason.

Yeah, that's a good question. I'll try to write a good answer tomorrow, I'm very sleepy xd

I think Fisk can find out "just" by capturing Matt? Or maybe he manages to remove his mask while they fight.

Maybe Matt then freezes, at least for a few seconds—it's enough for Fisk to finish overpowering him and dragging him back to the Mansion.

This seems pretty abandoned, but I guess I'll try...

Matt loses part of his memory *handwavy reasons*. He remembers being a vigilante... but not Foggy finding out.
Cue angst with Foggy wondering if Matt will tell him or will just keep lying to him.

Steve went on walks. More walks.

Soon he'll walk through the circumference of the Earth, if keeps at it - or the distance from Earth to the Moon. One small step for a man...

It was one of the first thing they showed him when he got fished out and brought back to life like a parody of a Messiah - the Moon Landing. One great leap for the humankind. Look at us, so much progress.

Look at them, still in the same bloody place as 80 years ago. This the Moon Landing landed - right where it came from. Progress was nothing but a shiny toy to wave in front of some Russians.

He snorted. Look at him, Captain America being bitter about the future. His biographers would be appalled.

Steve kept a number of secrets from his biographers.

He suspected he didn't need to; Propaganda Departament got scrapped, but with the days, weeks and months, now two years of watching the future, he got fewer and fewer doubts that it was little more than a name change. Too many slogans were flowing in the air. Best country in the world. Protecting freedom and democracy. Truth, justice and the American way. Shining city on the hill, Home of the brave, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States...

Steve read 1984 and he didn't like what he saw.

He closed his eyes. Earth's Migtest Heroes. Captain America.

"Have you ever been cynical, Buck?"

Have you ever wanted to just stay in your grave?

Bucky's empty grave didn't have an answer for him; it never did. Steve wondered if he could ask to be buried in it, anonymously.

Probably not. Too much freedom and democracy to squeeze out of his empty corpse. Truth and justice.

The American way.

"They put chemicals in a person again," he told the grave. "Did I tell you? That I wasn't the only one? It's a secret. I wasn't supposed to tell you."

He hadn't. He was loyal, and dedicated, and he had never revealed any national secrets. Any national crimes. Fighting the Nazis was more important. The Nazis that separated people by race, and performed human experiments and eugenics.

"I wasn't the only one," he said again.

He went on a neusating information search recently; internet was a wonderful thing, you could never hide what was once revealed anymore. Not even Shield could shield him from truths anymore - answers were out there, all it took was to know what questions to ask.

A lot of effort went into making people not ask. I pledge allegiance. Steve had pledged allegiance too. In a previous life.

"There were others like me in the program. Some died immediately. Some were mangled or crippled. Nobody survived; I don't know how many were merci-killed, and how many murdered just to keep them quiet."

The last batch, he remembered them well. There were only four of them, Steve, John, Harry and James. Those were the ones whose faces he got to see; his companions. Every one of them blond-haired and blue-eyed, young and happy and ready to be better.

Ubermenshen.

"Some got mangled or crippled," he repeated. It should be told more. "Some got sick, and the doctors didn't tell them. And there were other programs out there AFTER, too. Not even to make a better human to fight your wars; just to... see what happens. When you hurt a body. When you don't treat a disease."

The earlier batches, those weren't made out of white men.

"One... was called a Tuskegee Experiment. There were 400 men in that one. They were sick with syphilis, but nobody told them, and they just got false diagnosis and fake treatments. Doctors watched them slowly die for 40 years. It started when we were alive, do you know? Ended when we were long dead. We still do that. America still does that."

His voice was thick with tears now. "Remember the Smithson family, Bucky? Their boys were just our age. Why didn't we befriend them, Buck? Why did we take part in this?"

The Smithsons were different, of course. Separate. But equal.

He closed his eyes, renembering the faces of the little Smithson boys, who were darker and worse, and the face of an unnamed man hiding from America in a cave, who was pale and the same, and it didn't even matter in the end. His tears fell.

"I want to go back, Buck," he whispered. "I want to leave."

I just looked up the Tuskegee Experiment. It's awful. 🙃

So, fun fact in case you haven't watched The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: there was a Black man who got a successful version of the serum too! Isaiah Bradley. The government ended up imprisoning him to experiment on him (until a nurse helped him fake his death) and deleting him from history. Nice stuff :) (Maybe there were more but they died in war/serum failure, I honestly don't remember. Been a while since I watched that show. Only Isaiah remained, either way.)

I'm mentioning it because I wondered if that's where you were going while I was reading.

Anyway! Understandably very depressed and in crisis Steve. I like the detail of Bucky's grave. (I'm now picturing struggling-with-his-programming Bucky and this slaveMatt be friends. Help XD)

Steve wants to leave, but he can't. I wonder what he'll end up doing.

Ouch, this hurts...

"Look, uh, Karen. You don't need to do anything around here. I can manage this."

"There is dust on the shelves," she answers, wiping furiously.

There isn't. Matt keeps his space clean almost obsessively, the one place the smells and taste of which he has a modicum of control over, and there isn't dust on the shelves.

Not that Karen doesn't manage to steer all of the air that used to lie patiently in its little nooks, mixing up kitchen with bathroom with the roof with Mr Smith downstairs, making Matt sick from nothing like he hasn't been since age twelve.

Funny how having control over anything becomes near-impossible the moment you get handed a person to have control over.

"I managed fine before," he says almost pleadingly

"I managed fine before," he says almost pleadingly. Or maybe not almost, because Karen is definitely getting some twisted satisfaction right now.

"I can help, sir."

He wonders if the smugness in her voice is obvious only for him or for all the world to hear.

"Can you not?"

This was humiliating.

"It is a slave's personal calling to tend to their owners at all times, sir," she recited perfectly. "I shall have no purpose of my own, I shall not sleep while my better is awake, I shall strive and long for the pleasure of--"

"Stop."

His voice was harsh. Karen falls silent immediately. She stopped dusting off, frozen in place. Tense. Waiting. Scared. Somehow, still defiant.

Matt closes his eyes. In a twisted, terrible way, it was reassuring that she felt safe enough to choose tormenting him as a personal passtime.

"There will be no pleasure," he says as clearly as he does in court, "of any kind. Ever."

"Of course not, sir."

He jumped out of his armchair. Ignored that she flinched. "I'm going to the gym."

"You don't have to tell me that."

"I'm telling you anyway. Get used to it."

And fuck you very much, Miss Page.

Yeah, describing Tuskegee Experiment here is my personal social service. It wasn't the only one, but it's the one I know most about.

They're always performed on Black people...

Or gay men. One of the two.

I haven't watched it, no. Thanks for telling me, that's interesting.

I've only seen like... four of the movies? Iron Man, Iron Man Probably Two (I think...? The one with Ultron and Sokovia), Avengers (that's a movie, right?), the Engame one (I think; no wait, it must have been Civil War) and also Guardians of the Galaxy which just said "Fuck it. Let's lean into the weirdness." and made a talking racoon steer a spaceship XD. That one was definitely memorable, though I'm not sure what the plot was. Two sisters of two colors on I think two sides of something...? That's what I have.

So, yeah, Avengers are mostly a vibe for me. What I know about them mostly comes from fanfics. Which is I'm sure a distorted view, but I kind of like it.

If there are any Marvel movies that I'd like to watch though, the Winter Soldier would be on the list. That and Black Widow. And Deadpool, since he's apparently hilarious. One day I'll get around to that.

If you're interested in the topic, here's a definitely-not-complete but LONG list of things that would make Capitan America want to die again. It's honestly hard to pick the most horrifying one, Tuskegee was mild in comparison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

Some of the highlights:

taking testickles from dead people and animals and implanting them into prisoners
injecting babies, disabled children and orphanes with fatal diseases
inserting things into 3-days-old newborns
giving 800+ pregant women radioactive drinks to see how quickly babies would get sick
scratching people's faces and pouring syphylis on them ; injecting people's penises with syphilis
forcing people into addiction; then forcing them into withdrawl
army sprinkling army ships with chemical warfare while 1000+ soldiers are on board
CIA searching for truth serum via chemical experimentation and mental torture, CIA doing A LOT of other things
checking how effective is torture, the latest of those we know of are I think from 2010s
seeing how long a person can go without sleep (you go into hallucinations and then die)
seeing how long you have to abuse children before they have a trauma-iduced stutter
a man killing himself after forced into antipsychotic research with what sounds like either threats or blackmail, AstraZeneka, 2004
injecting people with cow blood in 1940s, injecting people with artificial blood between 2000 and 2010
the Iraq War experiments on how to torture people more efficiently

and more. "Injecting people with diseases" section had to be broken up into decades. Last one there is the 60s, those are the experiments that had started in the 60s. After that, we just don't know yet.

It doesn't include whatever is currently going on in Guantanamo Bay, a prison deliberately established by USA outside of US territory to avoid their own human rights laws.

So, yeah. Poor Steve.

The one with Ultron and Sokovia it's Avengers 2, actually!
And yes, Avengers is a movie :)

I like your Avengers, anyway! They have the right vibes. [The following paragraphs assume you don't mind spoilers — I'm fairly sure, but be warned anyway!]

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is actually a TV show (6 episodes, like Hawkeye). It's about a character you might remember from Civil War, Sam Wilson (Falcon), to whom Steve left his shield (Steve goes back to the past at the end of Endgame, we see him old in the present satisfied and passing the shield to Sam). Sam gives it to the government at first (not a great idea), but ends up claiming it back by the end of the show to be the new (Black) Captain America.

It's not a conflictless choice.

Bucky introduced him to Isaiah Bradley (the Black supersoldier), who is reasonably very bitter and at some point tells Sam something like "No self-respecting Black man would wear their (America's) symbol".

Steve doesn't know about Isaiah, by the way.

I love Black Widow! Mostly because it's focused on Natasha and introduces Yelena, whom I love. (Yelena's meant to be asexual — she is in the comics and the BW director confirmed it —, though it's not explicit of course. There are hints for who wants to see them.) It avoids the psychological complexities of human trafficking by using comicbooks science, but that's fair enough for a Marvel movie.

Winter Soldier has Steve and Nat, brainwashed-Bucky and introduces Sam Wilson, all in a spy plot. Not bad!

The Guardians of the Galaxy are hilarious. And a found family, which I may be weak to. They have their serious moments, but still, funniest movies along with Ant-Man.

Deadpool... I used to love it and find it very funny, as a teen. When I rewatched a few years ago I actually didn't find it all that funny; it has a pretty vulgar sense of humor, it's politically uncorrect etc. (Not saying it's a bad thing.)

I haven't watched Deadpool&Wolverine (out right now), but I probably will sooner or later. Apparently there's the Elektra from the early 2000s movies in it.

Whoops, I ranted about marvel movies. Oh well. :)

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You can rant :)

I remember Sam Wilson, yeah. Mostly I remember him as the guy Captain USA met while jogging xd.

"No self-respecting Black man would wear their (America's) symbol".

I fully support that. It's not my place to criticize any Black Americans for how they feel about the country that kidnapped them and kills them on regular basis. I do understand that this also home. But that is definitely how I feel, and I'm not even Black. Or American. Respect to the writers for having the courage to bring that up. It sounds like they dismissed it as part of their "happy ending" and that the guy's ultimate character arc is "I forgive you, white people" - which, uh... questionable. Especially in a movie made by white Americans for other white Americans, that feels very self-serving. But I'm speculating, maybe it's nothing like that.

It avoids the psychological complexities of human trafficking by using comicbooks science.

But that's the interesting part!! It's to be expected from a Marvel movie, yeah, but that's why I don't watch Marvel movies anymore, and forgot the ones I did see practically in their entirety. They always seem like there's just nothing behind them, just a bunch of Ubermenshen in colorful capes flying around to "save the world" and very predictably winning every time whith no effort. I know there's a bit more to it, but, still.

Spy plots are something I've been looking for recently, so I'll keep this one in mind. And yeah, from the sound of the it - when well done, it could be a really good movie.

GotG were definitely the most memorable one! I guess introducing talking racoons will ensure that. But you could easily see that the movie doesn't take itself seriously - which did well for them - and gave some hilarious lines. "Why is..." felt like generational lingo for a while. Not so much anymore, and I'm sad to see it go.

Deadpool being vulgar and "politically incorrect" is dissppointing. You'd think script writers. And while the vulgar part can be up to taste, "politically incorrect" is a euphemism. That's not something Im willing to accept anymore.

Thanks for the rant! Genuinely.

the guy's ultimate character arc is "I forgive you, white people"

Isaiah Bradley, who said the phrase about self-respecting Black men, doesn't forgive white people at the end (if I recall correctly).

Sam decides to wear the costume despite everything, because he wants things to change and wants to be the change (after he gave the shield back at the start, the government spent no time to nominate a new Captain America, obviously white and blonde). And I think Isaiah eventually "accepts" Sam's choice, when they talk about it at the end, but he's not going to change life-style or anything. (My memory of that show is kinda vague.)

I get your point about Black Widow! I did find the psychological problem of being mentally controlled interesting, despite it not being what actual trafficked humans go through. Yelena says something like "You're conscious all the time, but you don't know which part is you and which part is the controlling. I still don't know.", at some point after she's been freed from the control.

And after all is said and done, Yelena (and at least two other Widows, probably more) ends up working as an assassin (for the CIA apparently?), which is realistic.

GotG definitely created a few memorable memes, yes. And talking raccoon aside, everyone fell in love with the talking tree who only says "I am Groot" for some reason.

I'm always up for ranting! :)

Oh, that does sound better. I'll give that show a chance when I have the time.

...so the happy ending in BW is that abused KGB agents are now killers on CIA payroll? That's, uh... probably realistic, yeah, but unless it's framed as a PROBLEM HERE, AUDIENCE it's seriously fucked up. That's what I hate the Punisher for - it spent the entire series portraying corruption in the army/policing system, to the point where the main cop character quits FBI in rage. That was really something for a show made in USA, I respected that. And then they give us an epilogue in which we learn that the woman who quit FBI over crime, human rights violations and corruption JOINED THE CIA. You know, as a step toward justice. Nothing to see here, just a logical happy ending folks...

(sorry for introducing a different show entirely, it seemed relevant).

I would probably be a little annoyed at creating and exploring fake psych problems while ignoring real ones. But I get why people find that interesting; speculating about human mind always is. And if done well, it can make some really, really good fiction. That's hard to achieve though.

That said, I'm a bit curious about Yelena as a character. I'd give her a chance :)

I remember the wave of video esseys on YT that started with "Why is [name]" and proceeded to dismantle what was usually some conservative media figure. That was pretty great, I wish saying that stayed around longer.

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