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Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Hmmm...so you're thinking

Opposite with Frank
Trouble with snuff-bait-buying-Foggy

and
Snuff-bait with iPad's Foggy
iPad with Opposite's Foggy? Or, to make it more fun, still in the auction house, waiting to be sold off.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

ahahah, I'm now kind of imagining Opposite together with Frank like a kind of Jeeves-and-Wooster scenario, i.e., a butler who is used to the finer things (and superiors) in life, and having to deal with completely-outside-of-protocol-Frank. It could be a fascinating dynamic, though, because Opposite IS a skilled assassin - so he might even be a terrifying asset to Frank, but would Frank want to use a Matt that so determinedly considers himself his slave?

Ipad back at the auction house would likely have a small nervous breakdown, though, poor thing. He had so many years being allowed to act like a free person with Foggy that suddenly being back in a cage for real would have to be incredibly jarring and terrifying. He might be considering running (even though since they know about his abilities, he could be at a disadvantage - on the other hand, they wouldn't *expect* him to run, so...)

Until Rosalind Sharpe starts drunkenly bidding for him and he'd freeze, completely uncertain on whether he should let himself be bought by her and hoping, so desperately hoping, she might give him to a Foggy, and that that Foggy would be kind.

Any maybe help him get back, because it still wouldn't be HIS Foggy, and he knows that.

Trouble and Snuff-Foggy - uuuuh, they'd likely call an actual psychotherapist. They know that this would be beyond their capacity, no matter how caring they are.

Ipad's Foggy would likely by confused and terrified, because his Matt's gone (or just deaged?? He really has no idea what is happening) but would treat snuff-bait absurdly protectively and maybe - if he thinks that this is *his* Matt, just deaged and without his memories - think that this is his chance of preventing Matt from going through whatever he went through for four years before he got given to Foggy.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

And of course at the auction, there's a huge montage of the ads/videos/etc showing off Opposite!Matt's skills, and iPad Matt is freaking the fuck out, like, 'how the fuck do they know my senses, how do they know the exact healing times for different wounds, I don't speak French, I'm not trained in 'classical yoga', how the fuck am I going to do this????'

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

And that's not even including the sexual skills.
Ipad's 'professional' experience was four years of servicing college boys and a brief stint tolerating Bullseye. Hopefully he won't have to give a live demo on whatever ~technique that group of increasingly tipsy, boisterous businesswomen towards the back is discussing.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine the auction house keeps the slaves in tasteful little cells--tiny, and probably slightly too warm--with perhaps a mattress sunk into the floor, and a blanket or two and a pillow (monogrammed with AMEX AGENCY AUCTION HOUSE of course) so that they're never not on the floor, with 'tasteful' budoir lighting that goes on at 6am and off at 9pm, and food placed in the room. Eating and drinking is supervised by the employees (probably also slaves) and is performed at regular intervals (twice a day, probs). And it's probably, like, grocery store-style sandwiches and maybe a clementine and a bottle of water, with vitamin supplement pills.

And of course slaves chat to one another through the walls of the cells, trading tips and encouraging one another to be obedient. It's a hellish kind of self-help stuff.

I also think probably they have the slaves perform their skills beforehand and show the videos in the auction. Like there will be stuff of Opposite's extensive sexual skills (on real humans and dildos/stimulated genitals) as well as his French, math skills, cooking, house-slave behaviors, bodyguarding, assassinating/executing runaway slaves, possible nannying? And iPad's just like 'what the FUCK is going on, that's not me'.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I guess that would also depend on whether this exchange happens in the continuity of the other exchange-prompt - i.e., the Matts know about there being other versions of them enslaved in different universes - and whether Ipad *might* have been told about Opposite currently being in an auction house - or whether this is a completely different story and Ipad is wholly unprepared. But yes, he would be panicking. Very much so. And in a next step probably try to calm down, focus, see whether he can detect any familiar heart beats, voices, scents, in the building, figure out where he even is (still NY?). Next, he might try and check whether an escape would be possible, and then he might try to ask the other slaves about information, what is going to happen 'This is my first auction, I, uh, was only ever sold directly before.' (which isn't even a lie. Not like Ipad was ever valuable enough to be auctioned off) How IS that auction gonna go down, is he going to have to do anything? and has he been transported there still wearing his clothes?

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, if this is *after* they meet each other, iPad would have more grounding as to what's going on--of course Imperious is being auctioned off at one of those hyper-fancy places he's heard about.

And I think it would be really fascinating to see how iPad tries to interact with the other slaves, because he barely, if ever does in his own stories. Hearing the other slaves all reinforce each other's brainwashing (even reciting mantras at/in chorus with each other) might be a real moment of true terror. And maybe even some of the slaves are fans of Opposite, and tell iPad how jealous they are of his papers, how they're working to also become so valuable, and they're looking forward to seeing in the news who buys him and for how much.

I don't quite think that they make slaves do much on the auction block itself--they probably have them strip naked or wear teasingly revealing clothes, like short shorts, and an Amex Agencies monogrammed temporary collar, and then kneel down with their arms and faces on the floor on a monogrammed cushion on the block to the deafening cheers. There's a whole art to the slow, seductive kneeling, too, and Opposite would be irritated that iPad does it jerkily because he doesn't want to do it at all, like dammit, this is something someone should have taught you! Plus I doubt iPad would realize that Opposite would want him to be doing crunches/push ups/yoga in the cell, because that's what Opposite was doing.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Ipad-filler here - hah, yes, neither Matt nor Foggy in the Ipad stories have a lot of interaction with other slaves, mostly because they both feel incredibly uncomfortable around them. Matt did have 2-3 owners before he got given to Mark for an undergrad degree (so, like, 4-5 owners total before Foggy) but those were mostly also single-slave households. Also, during his time at St Agnes no one could be sure whether they'd end up a slave or adopted, but were technically still free people until the age of eighteen, so yeah, Matt doesn't in fact, have much experience with other slaves at all. (Except Bullseye, who had another young, terrified slave that he kept together with Matt. It wasn't exactly what he did to *Matt* that resulted in the Devil's first appearance.)

In the Ipad fill, Matt and Foggy will eventually pass by some places that have other owners and slaves (the 'vet', or a bureau where Foggy gets some permits for Matt) but Foggy feels incredibly uncomfortable because he has to make Matt wear his official, visible collar for those things, and also because people side-eye him for letting Matt sit next to him on the waiting room chairs. Matt is torn between feeling incredibly guilty that he gets to be treated like this, while every other slave has to kneel, furious that a system that treats people like this exists at all - he is always angry, but when it's so in his face, it's especially bad - and both of them are always secretly horrified at the slaves that for all intents and purposes do act like pets, both of them imagining what this would be like for Matt, who values his dignity and intellect so highly.

(and oh god, of course there would be no way for them to communicate, but what if Ipad could *actually* hear Opposite, and opposite could sense what was going on in his world? Like..."Oh god. You're going to fuck this up, aren't you? I'm going to be sold for a dollar. My life is over." -
"You're *welcome* to your own fucked-up universe *any time you like!*", Matt hisses back, he is terrified, he SO did not ask for this, he is going to KILL that wizard dude for screwing this up, he is in great distress NOW, why isn't he showing up already???)

Also, because all Matts are Matt *somewhere*, I'm fairly certain that Ipad would end up doing crunches and stretches at some point for sure. Like, in the part I'm currently writing, one of the first things he actually asks Foggy for out of his own volition is whether he can be allowed to use the gym. I imagine especially a slave!Matt would rely heavily on physical excercise to work out his frustration and to avoid going mad.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine if iPad showed up in the cell wearing his free-person pajamas, the employee-slaves would assume that it was a mean trick another employee had played on him, giving him free person clothes, and be like "You poor dear, you don't have to wear those, I know it must feel like the world's worst-fitting costume, take them off and give them to me right now honey" and Matt's just. Freaking the fuck out.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, in his pajamas of all things. I can't decide if they're better or worse than his business suits, or, you know, *the* suit...

(and nope, he would want to be stripped of them less than ever. Are the slaves in the cages naked? What was opposite wearing when he ended up at canon!Matt's place?) Maybe he'd make a concession and take the shirt off, hoping that pajama bottoms would make him look sufficiently slave-like that he doesn't have to strip the rest, too?

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if instead Foggy tries to hide Trouble from his parents? Like just tells them 'uhhhh, Matt has a sore throat' and Anna makes Matt tea and stuff, meanwhile Trouble's just conflicted, on the one hand where's Master???? and on the other hand, SMOL CHILD MUST PROTECT

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

da

I'm so torn on Frank - I've got one set of instincts that's all 'He's a solider, he will use any weapon that comes to hand,' and another that's like '...he canonically doesn't want anyone else to be like him, also he's aware he's a monster, if he finds out Opposite has been an assassin before he might try to kill him himself'

and that would be interesting - would Matt *let* him? Or try to let him? Or would instinct and the sheer unfair wasteful indignity of it all crack him at least enough to assert you're not my real owner, you don't have the right, I won't let you for the first time in years and years?

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Though I do feel like Frank would be able to understand the complex morality/problematicism of it, because Matt really *didn't* have a choice in killing the people that he has, for the most part--'I'm fourteen and fifteen and sixteen and desperately want to please you and our owner and I've been carefully and ruthlessly trained to be obedient and you're ordering me to, standing right there waiting patiently for me, and god knows what you'd actually do to me if I refused' is not real consent, you know?

Plus he might be more freaked out by what he sees as brokenness. (What Opposite sees as evidence of proper training. They have many differences of opinion.)

And I think Opposite would both deeply resent the situation (fuck this shit! New owners without even a warning! God this is bullshit!) and both be annoyed by and respect Frank (on the one hand, cheap-ass stuff in the safehouse or, omg Opposite in a motel room, THE HILARITY, but on the other, Frank is a) skilled, b) smart and c) actually dangerous enough for Opposite to like him and definitely respect him).

And I would love to see the whole dynamic play out. Depending on if Frank reacts really really badly to Opposite politely offering up his assassin and executioner skills and/or Opposite trying to wake him up with a blowjob, they could really have this whole passive-aggressive conflict going on.

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, let's be honest, 9 times out of 10, Frank's response to heartbreaking moral complexity is 'that definitely sucks, but you did the thing, so I'm going to kill you anyway.' And in Opposite's case, he's definitely going to do it again if he's ordered to, so -

- if Frank wants not to kill him, he has to keep him, to make sure the only orders he gets are Frank's. Shit.

Also wow, now that you've said it, a passive-aggressive dynamic would be amazing for them. Both trying to maneuver each other into fulfilling their very very different expectations while maintaining the facade of their working/ownership relationship.

(Also can you imagine the time Frank lets slip accidentally that he kindasorta misses Trouble and Matt is like oh god does he want *that* and tries to fake it and Frank nopes out the window at the speed of sound.)

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

hahaha Opposite is so bad at faking being a pet and would probably have actual panic attacks at that because he *killed* an owner for trying to make him into a pet before, and if this owner wants that too--well, Matt really isn't a match for Frank at all, not with his obedience reflexes and Frank being wary, heavily armed, and young and healthy, unlike Master Robert.

And maybe Frank actually reacts nicely/calms down at the fact that Matt killed Master Robert to protect himself? That's a fairly reasonable not-criminal reason to kill someone. (And Matt doesn't even let himself think about it, but at least part of the reason was because Master Robert had quite literally had a younger house-slave girl beaten to death two days earlier for dropping a chicken on the floor. In front of Matt. who at first tried to soothe him, calm him down, and got beaten for his troubles. Master Robert was the same master who had a slave's back whipped off for smiling at his sister (out of friendliness and also because the slave was a child) and definitely would have had the slave's hands cut off for touching her hair.)

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

oh Frank would DEFINITELY approve of that, plus he'd be so relieved that there IS a fighter under all that brokenness and rationalization

and Matt's kind of confused about why Frank's happy with him but look, he'll take it

and this is the beginning of some actual weird rapport between them

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

hahaha Frank's holding Matt at gunpoint when Matt blurts it out frantically, because it's a long shot but if this owner hates his other owners maybe he'll be happy to hear Matt hated at least one of them too?

And then after that confession pleases his owner, maybe Matt tries to give a whole itemized list of Disobediences That Were Never Punished (except by himself)--maybe once he kept an alcoholic owner drunk at an event so he could convince her her order to have him beat a baby slave to death never happened, maybe he fucked with an overseer so thoroughly the overseer attacked Matt in full view of the owner, who promptly sold him off, because the overseer pressured/raped the other slaves?

And the whole time Frank is calming down Matt's abasing himself more and more because in his experience that's the only thing to calm an owner down for sure, but all it does is make Frank angry as fuck like, who did this to you kid???

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

ahahah, oh god, I kinda, sorta, really want to see this scene as a mini-fill now, Opposite thinking that if he behaves like the Matt with the Issues he briefly saw in the other universe, he'll please Frank and give an absolutely uncanny valley performance. (and ooooh, oh god, I just remembered! What if the Avengers then show up eventually and opposite!Matt is confronted with *them*?? And then he'd even find out that no one even currently, really legally owns him, because he was basically rescued/stolen by Frank from his previous owners/abductors? How'd he deal with *that* situation? Like, would he just want to consider Frank as an owner by default, because that's a world he can work with? Or would he actually be interested in being owned by Tony, because, hey, genius, billionaire, dangerous day job, not obviously cruel, that sounds like a pretty non-boring owner to have?)

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I think Opposite might be very interested in being owned by Tony Stark, but a) the hulk is fucking terrifying, Matt has no real desire to die, and b) the Black Widow also lives with Tony Stark and Matt would freak the fuck out because she would figure out almost immediately that He Was Not Who He Pretends He Is, and so Matt would have to fuck up the Avengers tower so very much to distract from that.

And also the idea of not being legally owned by *anyone* would make Opposite lose his shit in a big way. Like, in the fill of 'all slave Matts meet in Matt's place', Opposite is just ignoring that he's in a world where he's not actually owned, because otherwise he'll have more of a nervous breakdown than he's already having, and so he flatly refuses to deal with it. Being in a world where his entire mindest and mentality and training and sense of self and foundation of his self-esteem is completely useless and worthless? Yeah, Matt would not cope well.

Minifill, Why Frank didn't kill Opposite

[(Anonymous)]

Frank wishes badly he wasn't in this fucking situation.

It's bad enough with Trouble, what with the lack of talking. This weird-ass alternate-universe-version of Trouble is actually worse.

He didn't think so at first because this version talks, but given that the first thing he had said after Frank's flat, wary, "You're not Trouble, are you?" was "I can assure you I'm not any trouble, sir," it's not any better at all.

And then the whole creepy fellating-one-of-Frank's-guns thing (what the fuck was that, why the fuck did he do that, what the fuck was he thinking), and the whole 'master' thing (which Frank can't even address, jesus god, he knows he'll blow up and scream if he actually lets himself say anything about it), and the whole 'trying to seduce Frank while eating' thing, and now the fact that apparently this version of Trouble is a fucking assassin as well as (former? probably not former, Frank knows better) sex slave and 50s housewife.

He pushes away the low building anger at the sex slave thing (god, he's going to find that scum and fucking kill them, even if he has to kill this poor bastard first), and holds the gun to the fucked up version of Trouble's head. "So you're telling me you'd kill anyone if I told you to," he says, voice empty.

"I will do anything my master asks of me," the poor bastard says, voice half-pleading. "I will follow every order, master."

So that's that then. Frank clicks the safety off, and sees the sudden widening of the eyes. "I'm sorry, kid," he says. "I can't in good conscience let you go out and murder people just because somebody told you. It's not right."

The poor bastard's whole face goes white and then his mouth opens and he babbles out, sounding panicked, "I--I killed an owner, my owner, once without any orders, nobody told me to but I killed him because he was cruel and awful, he was going to make me into a pet and he had a girl--Charlotte--beaten to death because she dropped a chicken and he had a baby slave's back whipped off for smiling, I killed him without orders, I'm not just--I didn't--I'm not a murderer, master, I promise."

Frank feels dumbfounded. "What."

The poor bastard sucks in a deep breath and says, "Master Robert was the worst owner I'd ever had, and he had this girl--Charlotte--she was ten, she shouldn't have been asked to carry an entire chicken by herself, but she was, and she dropped it--she was ten, I could have held it when I was ten but not her--and he had one of the overseers beat her to death for it, I was there, I tried everything to calm him down but he wouldn't--and a week earlier he'd had a baby slave's back whipped off, completely off, there was barely any skin left, all he had done was smile at the owner's sister, he was a child, children smile all the time, it wasn't his fault, he didn't deserve that. And he was going to strip away my mind, make me into just a pile of ass and mouth--wall me up inside my own body--I couldn't let him--he was old and sick and nobody would notice, so I injected him with air, over and over again, I think it was fifteen syringes until he died, and nobody ever suspected anything and we went to auction but that was better than him, and I'm sorry master, I'm so sorry, I will serve you until the end of my days but please, please, please don't kill me, master."

Then one hand came up and he clamped it over his own mouth, eyes wide and horrified at himself.

Frank blinked slowly, and put together the words, and then said, "Well, I guess Trouble's a fighter everywhere," and clicks the safety back on and holsters the gun, staring at the guy, who he's going to call Talking Trouble in his head, as much as that's inaccurate.

"You are not what I expected," he remarked.

"Thank you, master," whispered Talking Trouble, and leaned forward and unhesitatingly kissed Frank's hand, which felt bizarrely nice, those soft lips. Frank jerked his brain away from those thoughts, and took a few steps away.

"So, uh," he said. "What's your world like?"

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

of course, Opposite might not *tell* Frank that he's got assassin skills...

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine it would come up eventually as an attempt to get Frank to use him/make him happy. 'I CAN BE USEFUL, I CAN DO THE THING YOU LIKE, LOOK I'M GOOD AT IT'

and Matt might try to backpedal and lie about ever getting actual assignments/going beyond training but Frank is not super convinced

(maybe Frank does a bunch of research after that - because he does verify stuff - and even if he doesn't find out about the murder until later, he gets a pretty good sense what kind of guy Master Robert was)

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Yah, it could be an interesting chance to play with the fucked up Innocents vs Criminals morality, and why Trouble is considered an innocent while Opposite probably isn't. Remember that one comic where Frank saves three kids, then admits that he's probably going to be gunning down the older two in in a few years? Something like that

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

/wails quietly about MAX into the night, that bit wrecked me

I was actually thinking about the issue in Ireland where he's killing, basically, teenagers, wondering how young is too young and thinking about why he'd kill actual child soldiers, (since in terms of choice and brainwashing it seemed kind of equivalent) although I don't remember if that was a hypothetical fear/justification or a thing he'd actually done, it was never on-panel

sometimes I'm not sure it's fair to apply MAX stuff to broader marvel characterization, because it's SO dark, but at the same time it really seems like the ground-down core of him ;_;

Re: Slave!Matts get swapped into each other's universes

[(Anonymous)]

Choose-your-own-characterization.
Want a complex, flawed man who admits that he's not actually helping society as a whole but its either punish or commit suicide (and even then, whether it's an enemy's bullet or his own, he still dies alone, his own final victim) that's canon!
Want a crazy caveman looking motherfucker who 'goes human hunting' and does some suspect 'tribal war ritual' by tourniquetting his own balls before battle? That's also canon.
Shooting at jaywalkers bc that's 'a crime against society'? Also canon
You get a canon! And you get a canon! Frankenstein your own canon (because they already did. Literally. Frankencastle my magnificent abomination son)