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Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

Just HOW do you pull off the police never filing any charges when not only you have people explicitly and quite publicly disregard the law, first by running away from a precinct and then by *blowing up a building*...

...but also, you know, the blind man they were suspected of kidnapping is still missing, and might actually be dead.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

This doesn't really bother me. I assume they were able to convince the police that not escaping with Matt and blowing up the building would have been worse. Which it would have been. The whole team save Danny have been portrayed in their solo shows as these weird kind of folk heroes who get away with their unusual shit because there wasn't anyone else who could handle the problem. People know this, even if they don't like it.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, except Matt isn't Daredevil to the police, he's a young lawyer who happens to be *blind*, and so isn't exactly likely to run around getting into fights with three superhumans. Unless they make the link between Matt = Daredevil (which they really should, that was handwaved too), the police can only assume that he had been kidnapped - which in itself is a serious crime. But now he's nowhere to be found, and that puts murder on the table.

Folk-hero thing and grudging approval can account for a lot, but it can't handvawe away a murder investigation. That's just too big. This is one of those lines you just don't cross.

Besides, you might convince an individual to committing misconduct in secret, but when the whole damn police station knows about it, sticking to the rules is your only option.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

Whether in costume or not, Matt went with them and was killed in the explosion - sometimes in those situations bodies don't get found and it doesn't require a whole lot of detecting when a building came down, imo.

I think we might have very different opinions on what kinds of cover ups the NYPD would be willing to engage in. They're not a squeaky clean organization, irl or in this show. Whole departments cover shit up all the time. The team trying to dodge a Times news exposé after the fact might be interesting, though.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

You're missing the part where they literally think Matt was kidnapped by the Defenders.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm assuming they changed their minds when the bigger problems presented themselves. Luke is all, I can't let this happen, and the policebdecided to back up the Defenders. Then they actually do, including the cover up. A truce has been declared that would have to include Matt's status.

Some on-screen confirmation would have been nice, but that's how I'm reading their actions.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

That's what you're supposed to assume. But the problem is, a man dead, or at least missing. Sure, police is not always a clean organisation, and police in USA even less so. They've been known to cover up murders in the past. But first of all, those are usually within the unofficial "code of conduct" among the officers, and secondly, even then there's a procedure to be followed.

Defenders aren't police officers, they are outside the "buddy conduct", there's a dead man that people will be asking about, and there's just literally no reason not to investigate what happened.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the Defenders are inside the thin blue line - I think Misty, shouty guy, and whoever else filed the report are. It's not even that complex a cover up - Misty and co. filed a bogus report based on their best assessment of a situation where we almost lost New York City instead of just Matt, and the other cops shrugged and assumed they knew what they were doing. Which happens.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

I think I'm going to abandon this thread now.

As a parting note: it's perfectly fine for you to buy the plot. Personally, I think it's also fine for me to say I've seen more believable Tom and Jerry plots.

As of now, bye.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

...yes, it's fine for both of us to have opinions on a discussion thread. That's what I thought we were doing, cordially having opinions. Not sure how I earned the passive-aggressiveness.

Re: Bad writing in the Defenders

[(Anonymous)]

Oh wow, I didn't even cotton to the idea that that's what the police were doing until I read this. But you're right, they were pushing really hard and trying to pin a lot of shit on Luke and Jessica, and that's why Matt trotted out the lawyer and their civil rights. Wow wow wow

Shouty guy? I laughed. It's the perfect name for him.