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Yeah, it's sad that the lawyering part is so bad (from what I read from lawyers commenting the show, Healy's case is actually not that bad... Frank's trial is a mess. Pure nonsense.
Not to be too much of a fangirl (I am), but that’s part of why ceterisparibus' stories are so satisfying. I love her legal plots so much! She knows what she's writing and it really shows (marvel hire her pls)

ANYWAY, yeah, if there’s anyone who can convince the jury that Matt is a good man TM that would be Foggy!

I HATE Franks trial. On so many levels. Even as an exploration of Matts oscillating moral stadards it was just SO BAD.

Interesting to hear Healy's gimmick might actually work. I feel like it really shouldn't be possible to release an obviously guilty murderer on a technicality that seems to occure in all murder cases...? But maybe it is, especially in USA. Laws are weird there.

Oh well. Foggy'll figure it out :)

I mean, Matt did kinda imply that Healy was guilty, but he also stated that there was no evidence that he hadn't acted in self-defense, at least not beyond reasonable doubt. The only witness testified that he'd been friendly, then she didn't see how the fighting began. The two bodyguards who could have testified to Healy initiating the fight refused to say anything.
Matt told the jury the facts didn't prove he wasn't acting in self-defense, and he wasn't wrong. Probably could have done without the "if he is indeed guilty God will punish him", but that’s Matt lol

I guess you're right.

I still maintain that Matts statement wasn't very convincing; starting off with lining out all the reasons they should hate the guy, and finishing with "but you can't convict him" just isn't very good strategy. Not when you are talking to people who have every tool to step around the technicality you're pointing out to them, which he is also pointing out to them – THEY have to decide if his actions were beyond the reasonable doubt, so if they're disgusted enough by the litany of sins Matt had provided them earlier, they get to just say "yes".

With multiple bodies, bullet wounds in forheads, a skull smashed with a bowling ball and no scratch on him, I think they could easily declare that. Even before someone points out that the bullets in those forheads don't match any of the bodyguards' guns, so Healy had another one. Even if Matt could argue Healy needed to defend himself, I think in US law there also is the category of "beyond neccessary level of self-defence" and that can definitely apply here. You COULD argue that they would have killed Healy if he had stopped, but... Matt didn't do that.

Anyway. I think the way Matt structured his argument would appeal to a judge, but not to a jury. The judge would feel more compelled by the law than emotion, interested in parsing out what legal dilema was appropriate here, and more loyal to the book than the vibes. The jury though, those are just people. They didn't spend 7 years having it instilled in them to care about "the book" and where the legal perogative ends. They were just presented with a guy, and now get to decide if the crime "Smashed Someone's Skull With A Bowling Ball" was justified enough.

One of the many reasons why I think picking random people as a "jury" is a terrible idea that should never have lived to the 20th century, but, eh. That's a different argument, isn't it.

Thanks for reminding me what Matts speech actually was, anyway! I couldn't remember what his gimmick was. Those are actually sensible laws, only terribly executed for that situation (in my opinion).

And thanks for still answering my rants, I really love talking with you :)

Yeah, I'm not really used to thinking in jury terms (I'm not from the USA and our legal system doesn't use random juries), but I see your point!
Probably realistic that they didn't win the case after all.

I'm always happy to talk about Daredevil! :)

Did you like the very little we saw about Aaron James' case in Defenders?

I'm not from USA either :). Which is probably why I'm so opposed to their stupid legal system, and honestly most of their systems. Americans get instilled in them that "greatest country in the world" narrative, but for me, that's just fuel to the fire. The self-congratulory tone always makes me think of North Korea.

Boy, but that country has PROBLEMS.

Would it be embarrassing if I admitted that I haven't seen the Defenders? I keep thinking that I should watch it, mostly because it keeps getting referenced in Matts fics and it sounds like an important chunk of his story happened there, but then I keep avoiding it. I get cagey when there's too many superpowers in too little space. Suspencion of disbelief glitch, I guess. Or snobbery.

So I only know the highlights - there was a battle, Electra died (again), Matt almost died. Then he went on to have a Breakdown To End All Breakdowns in season 3. I didn't know there was a case. What happened?

It's not embarrassing at all, I get skipping Defenders! I save very little of it tbh (which is: Matt, Matt&Jessica interactions. The MattElektra isn't bad but I don't get what they do with Elektra at the end so Idk. Confusion.).

Anyway, Defenders starts with every one of them on their own yet; Matt stopped going out as Daredevil after S2 and is now being a lawyer full-time. First episode sees him working on the case of Aaron James, a boy who will probably not be able to walk anymore (is currently on a wheeling chair, with a slight chance that he'll be able to walk again in the future) because of a toxic substance used by a company.
Matt wins the case (it's a big one! 11 millions dollars, if I remember correctly). We only see him briefly cross-examinating a witness, but that’s actually well-done (with a couple inaccurate details, but they kinda make sense for the "it's a TV show" part and don't ruin the scene).

After that, he becomes Jessica's lawyer, but that doesn't involve much lawyering.
There's a scene I really like though: a police captain threatens to move for obstruction of justice against Luke and Jessica, Matt asks for a moment to explain his clients how best to cooperate, the captain concedes but "warns" him that "they better like what you say, or I'll put you in a room with two enhanced people", to which Matt coolly answers "Last I checked, they still have legal rights."

Sorry for the rant! XD

I think it's pretty clear by now that I love rants :D

Thank you for telling me about the Defenders! Yeah, I can imagine Matt + Jessica interactions being great. Not least because Jessica's show is second-best to Matt's, and her character would be in a tie with him if it wasn't for the fact that Matt is in eternal ethical torment and I get to watch it. Jessica is angry, alcoholic and sarcastic, which makes her fun. (Which you don't neccessarily want in a series about rape, btw). Matt is intense, reserved and introspective, which makes him a dark lense into the human soul. So, you know, there's a slight difference:)

(Or maybe I just like religious imagery. It's a kink.)

(Not actually a kink, why did I say that... xd)

Anyway. "A toxic chemical used by a company" equals superpowers in MCU logic, so maybe we'll see Aaron James again...?

:)

I don't think we'll see Aaron James again, but who knows! XD
(Matt relates to him and talks to him honestly about his situation 🥹)

Yeah, agreed that Jessica Jones is the second-best show. I love Jessica, and her interactions with Matt are pretty fun. She's rude and Matt loves it lol
Matt is pretty much depressed all season long, but Jessica actually manages to make him laugh. Also he steals her scarf (as a makeshift mask).

Ooh, does she make him but her a new one? I want to see her make him buy a new one, and then get sarcastically drunk on his dime while he sips on his drink and watches for alkohol poisoning, but still can't help smiling xd

I'm not a Matt/Jessica person - I'm not an Anyone/Jessica person, one of the most fundamental things about her as a character is that she's NOT into relationships, fuck you, now go away-- and I don't want to change that, even though it would be a good milestone in a healing arc, which is a natural progression for her story-- I'm ranking again. Anyway, I'm not into J/M, but I could make some compromises if it means I get to see them interact more xd.

Shows seem to get progressively worse, unfortunatelly. This is why I'm a Daredevil fan, and not anything else fan. I was excited to see MCU (or anyone) picking up things like rape and mass incarceration as a topic, but I don't think they did a very good job of it, especially with Luke. I don't really remember anything from that show beyond the fact that it exists. It just didn't have the punch (heh), and with THAT topic, was it really hard to get?

And I remember Danny only for being SO, SO BAD. By then "we're discussing serious issues now" was completely lost between dragons and definitely-not-Tibetan Magical Monks that aren't a racist trope at all, why would you say that?

Yeah, it was bad. Even before you throw in Clueless Billionaire Boy as a protagonist in 2010s / 20s.

Not a great choice, writers, I'm disappointed in you.

Matt buying her a new scarf doesn't happen in canon (Defenders ends with him "dying" and he never meets her again in canon [so far?]), but it's a popular thing in fanon, I'd say! I've read more than one fic where the first thing Matt does approaching Jessica after DD S3 is buying her a scarf (and I love it XD).

I've read my fair share of Matt/Jess because I love seeing them interact, but I prefer them platonic as well (there are nice stories for that too).

I didn't like LC either, and yep, I think 99% of the fandom agrees that IF was just Bad. Watching it was a pain, I would have probably given up if I hadn't been watching it with my brother.
I didn't love seasons 2 and 3 of JJ either, but there were elements there that I appreciated. (Also I didn't believe it possible but Jessica actually has it worse than Matt. Unbelievable honestly.)

Wait, seriously? She has it WORSE? I thought Killgrave was dead or something? (Beautiful name, by the way. Nothing quite like comic books, is there).

I didn't see JJ reasons 2+3. Wasn't aware they went up, gave up the whole thing. I don't even like DD seasons 2+3 very much, so, you know. Season 2 had a pacing/composition problem imo - I get what they were trying to show, slashing two plots together to make Matt completely fail at his real life in exchange for his nightlife. But I don't think it worked. It still felt like those should be two seperate seasons, the change was jarring.

Plus, Electra's arcs make NO SENSE. And you need to give me more than literally two words of "black sky" if you want me to care about it, dammit.

I agree with you on S2 having pacing problems. The plot was a mess in general, I don't hate it completely just because I like Frank and Elektra... even if YEAH, Elektra's plot is such a mess. They explain nothing of Black Sky, why oh why.
But I love S3 of Daredevil, is my favorite (it's a close thing with S1, and it's a shame it doesn't have Claire, but I loved pretty much everything in it, so). The finale felt very satisfying to me.

So I'm gonna spoil all of JJ:
Jessica finds out her mother is alive. She's been experimented on, too, and she's gone a little crazy and has killed people. [It's been a couple years since I've seen the show, so I might recall some detail wrong.] Anyway, Jessica's mom really cares about her daughter. Things happen and Jessica is with her mom, they're talking and I can't remember if she wants her to flee or to turn her in, but anyway her mom is talking and BAM she's dead. Someone shot her.
That someone is none other than Trish, who has been going down a bad path all season long (she's obsessed by the idea of having powers).
Jessica also pushed Malcolm away, so at the end of S2 Jess not only no longer has people, she has to live knowing that HER SISTER KILLED HER MOM.
S3 has Trish completing her downward spiral; she got some enhancements and does the vigilante thing. Except it goes out of control.
The season ends with Jessica having to make the very hard decision to turn Trish in, and Trish being sent to the Raft.

So there's that :)

I say she's got it worse than Matt mostly because in the end, Matt got Foggy and Karen. (And Maggie, however hurtful and complicated their relationship is.)
Jessica sent Trish to the Raft and is maybe on okay terms with Malcolm.

Boy that's depressing. So much for a healing arc...

Yeah, Jessica shouldn't be alone - nobody should, at the end of the day, but definitely not JJ. She and Matt should start a support group or something. I hope Nelson, Murdock & Page permanentny hire her as an investigator (even though they have Karen) and she gets adopted into Foggy Nelson's Home For Lost Causes, because, damn. She deserves it. It would even be a natural "happy ending" for both DD and JJ messes, even. "An Even Newer Napkin".

Man, I want a happy ending for her now. I'll have to hit fanfiction to get it, won't I? Do they plan another season for her at all?

Back to rantimg just because I can. XD

Yeah, I love Frank and I love Electra, as characters. I almost-love Franks season 1, because there's a lot of real shit packed in there.

My compassion for traumatized professional soldiers is limited, to be honest. Especially American ones (God, do I hate that country. It's like everybody's abusive husband that stole your house and you can't move out now) because USA uses its army exclusively as glorified terrorists and we all know that. So if you get traumatized from voluntarily killing random people in random places as a job, my shits to give are in limited supply. But even I notice nuance. And even for me the way USA treats its own veterans is appaling. So that tells you something. And I don't think it has ever been discussed or revealed in any fictional media before, so I can respect that.

Even though Dinah Madani quitting FBI over ethics and then JOINING THE CIA INSTEAD craps over everything and leaves it in a stinking open sewer.

Sorry about the politics...? I sometimes can't help myself.

But then most of TP is about politics, so maybe I can be forgiven...?

Of course, no worries about the politics, I like reading your thoughts!
TP isn't much to my tastes (limited compassion for soldiers + don't care much for the violence. Matt’s has nuance, there's the perpetual struggle to hold himself in; Frank only hesitates if it's Billy), but I did like the ending. I wasn't expecting Frank to go to therapy and admit he's scared, but that was really a good point to end. (Of course then comes S2 and we're back to killing with a sprinkle of killing.)

About Jessica, I'm not completely sure but I think she might be in Daredevil: Born Again?
I remember she was supposed to but the actress was busy so they replaced her with Frank (???), but that was at the early stages of the show, I think she’s been included then. Or maybe she will be later.
Apparently Fisk is going to go after vigilantes through the law, so it sure makes sense to involve more enhanced characters like Jessica.

(I am worried about Born Again ruining Daredevil, but I'm reserving judgement. Echo was actually good and pretty similar to Netflix Daredevil's tones, so they could do something worth watching.)

Yeah, there is just about zero moral nuance in Frank as a person. And not much more in the show at large. They tried, making it all secretly about executing prisoners in Afganistan (you know, WAR CRIMES, funny how that phrase doesn't come up), and blessedly portraid as bad. That wasn't a given.

But Americans always stop short of actually condemning their legal terrorists. I don't know if they're too cowardly to say the quiet part out loud, or too high on life-long propaganda (who TF makes children recite loyalty poems every morning and thinks that's NORMAL?!) but it doesn't happen. And here too, everything that's Bad is actually the fault of one guy, and, you know, he's dead now, so it's all good. It's just like slavery and racism are unamerican.

Have you read "The Shock Doctrine"? I think everybody should. It's terrifying.

Eh, politics. United States. Regime change, have I mentioned regime change operations? I think my head is spinning. Hello Darkness my old friend...

And while TP season 1 has some genuine stuff in it (the percentage of abandonned veterans among US ridiculously large homeless population is in double digits, and it isn't 10) even if it doesn't care about WAR CRIMES... (uh, ranting)

...season 2 is just an action movie. It's worthless. And I imagine to everyone that doesn't pay Unhealthy Amounts Of Attention to USA (and Britain) season 1 with it's really bad front płot — 'I faked my death by throwing myself off a cliff, and I live in a basement now', 'Oh, did you? Well I went to war school with a man obviously 15 years younger than me, we're best friends, have you heard my boss used to smuggle heroine in dead bodies?' (I wouldn't put that past them, actually, after reading Shock Doctrine) — with all that, I imagine to a normal person season 1 is also worthless.

So I get you.

(Also, I HATE the radio show "gun debate". That's not even being stupid, that's just lying. You know the arguments, fucking BE HONEST and write them in your script.)

Have I mentioned I don't like USA?

Okay so I realize I don't really know much about USA but WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY MAKE CHILDREN RECITE LOYALTY POEMS EVERY MORNING??? this is seriously so messed up. And scary.
I guess that also explains some things.

But yeah, some of S1 themes were interesting, too bad that they weren't developed like they should (like the gun debate, yep, what even was that).

It's called "plegde of allegiance". In front of every school there's a giant pole with a US flag on it, and every morning, for their entire education, from seven to eighteen years old, they have to gather in front of it and recite their loyalty to the flag. If they don't, they get punished. Might not be allowed into class, that's an accepted and pretty standard form of punishment.

So if a child consistently doesn't want to declare loyalty to the flag, it's a waiting game until that child realises they're not going to graduate and breaks, or, well, doesn't graduate and also breaks, only in a different way. This includes migrant children and kids obviously being actively mistreated by "the flag", like Black teens that get pretty consistently killed in the street.

(I know that's another shocking phrase, so - USA has a persistent murdererer-cop problem. Incidents when a Black man, teenager or even boy gets shot dead walking down the street for "looking suspicious" happen regularly, about a 100 every year. So one every 3-4 days. An 11 year old playing in the park was killed that way a few years back. Cops who do that are typically not punished by the law and continue to be cops.)

(Jesus, it doesn't sound real, does it. I know all this and putting it so plainly shocked me anyway. But it's true, there's a non-exhaustive list of those killed here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States)

(I tried to find the name of that boy from the park, because I couldn't remember, and it turns out a different 11 year old had been recently shot by police — in his home, after calling 911 for help. Also an 8 year old girl, and a 15 year old kindapped boy they were supposed to be rescuing. The one I was thinking about was Tamir Rice, apparently he was 12. Also there was Trayvon Martin, who was hunted down by his white neighbor, who wasn't a cop. He wasn't punished by the law either. Those are just (some of) the famous cases, and only the young ones. That list from wiki gives a better idea - 2023: January 3, January 7, January 17...)

Generally, if you ask "how bad is it?" about USA, the answer is almost always "worse."

This is also why I have some compassion for US soldiers — they have military representatives visit (poor) high schools, convincing them to sign up. You only have to be 17 to write off your life in a legally binding contract and be sent to either kill or die. Funnily enough, you have to be 21 in USA to drink.

USA is predatory about it to the point of military units having PR and movie departaments.

And the army is pretty much controlling what can be in all the other movies, too. To make a movie about the army you need the army, so they get to read the scripts and edit them as they please. You have to be VERY determined (and rich) to make anything but hero-worship about them in Hollywood.

By movie departements I don't mean just the censorship, I mean their own actual movie crews.

I remember watching some promotional biopic about a happy recruit who got trained to be a camera operator and is now living out his movie-making dream in the army. Moral of the story was explicitly "we have so many different careers, you can be anyone with us (just give us full control over your life and body first)". We'll train you to it from 0 to 100, exactly as we want you to be and also dependent on us for education and career. Somehow, the movie-makers thought that was good.

To me it sounds like making an army-society, which... yeah. That fits.

...yeah, I knew it was bad but the USA situation is definitely WORSE than I thought. I'm speechless.
And I'm definitely viewing the homeschooling in a completely new way now.

Also the drinking age being 21 while being able to sign off your entire life to the army at 17 is ridiculous. In a bad way, but ridiculous.
Yeah, kinda hard to blame kids for making poor life decisions I guess.

People who homeschool their children do it to indoctrinate them into far-right ideologies. IT CAN ALWAYS GET WORSE.

Honestly, it's like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and realizing it's a train. Homeschooled people are definitely the most indoctrinated in USA, and also the most dangerous. There's absolutely zero regulation for what you're supposed to teach your homeschooled child. Not that regulation would neccessarily help, seeing as a state or two OUTLAWED TEACHING EVOLUTION a while ago, but still. You can do whatever. And it's pretty much exclusively used by ultra-nationalist Evangelicals (extremist sort-of-Christian group) to, well, not teach evolution. Or slavery. Or climate change. Or equal rights. Generally: guns are good, oil rigs are better, books are suspicious and Jesus thinks the pope is too left-wing. It's all about control, honestly. Land Of The Free has some real hangups about parents having control over what their children know and think. There's this giant push for purging libraries right now, because "my child might read this".

Eh. Sometimes I want them to just collapse already. Then I remember they have nuclear missles, and won't go quietly.

...hey, did you know they operate nuclear bombs with floppy discs from 1951 and forget where they put the bomb sometimes? It can ALWAYS get worse.

On a lighter note, I absolutely love the phrase "it's ridiculous, but in a bad way". You're my kind of person Anon :D

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