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I'm glad! :D

I'm always up for workshopping the story! I answered some of the questions. Let me know what you think! :)

I'm not sure. If Fisk gets with her like he does in the show, maybe he doesn't ask Wesley to sleep with him. Maybe he used to, at times, but he now stops.

If Vanessa ever sees Matt I think she'll make creepy compliments at his beauty, but that’s where that'll end since I don't want to write Vanessa (or anyone really) raping Matt (again), if I can avoid it. In this case I definitely can. But she'll comment because I can't see her not doing that. What a work of art.

Matt's thoughts about Vanessa might be interesting; he was pretty conflicted about her in canon.

Some things never change indeed!

I get you, following/ordering the replies here is complicated.

So now Frank will have to annoyingly patch the stupid vigilante who left him two babies up? Sounds good 🔥

Oh, absolutely! He would.

"You beat slavers up, free as many slaves you can, and still have the audacity to own one??"

Matt isn't liking his day at all.

I'm thinking Foggy may not know. Just to make it even angstier! (Also because having it all happen after Nelson v Murdock would complicate things further, I think? Especially if Matt didn't have Claire, him surviving Nobu would be another thing to figure out. I'd say he just never had the chance to fight Nobu. Maybe señora Cardenas is alive, one good thing in a desperate au :)

Also, why were Matt and Karen enslaved? Did the government, in Matt's case, decide that lawyers are no longer needed?

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly HOW he would try to take her blame yet, especially after she already outed herself. Possibly non-rationally and with a Terrible Lie — that would be very much in character for Canon Matt, so.

And even though he's been a slave for sp long from what I gather he only had one owner before, and it was Lazy Jason. Lazy Jason was easy. You didn't need to lie to him; he didn't ask. So Matt is still very much new to the dangerous realities of being a slave. Yeah. Clumsy And Terrible Lie could work.

Which would probably involve Weasley whether he wants it or not, since he's the one responsible for disciplining him.

I don't think Weasley would 'agree to help' so much so as... make decisions. He didn't get to the top — or survive — on loyalty alone. Besides, is it really non-loyal? His job is to Solve The Problem, not run with the problem to Fisk. And how he solves it is at his own discretion. To be perfectly honest, murdering a guy and painting Karen top-to-bottom in his blood was a SPECTACULARLY bad strategy for keeping something under wraps. I'm appaladed that the writers went with it. The final goal was always to get the file back, I imagine that he can easily do it much more tenatiously - especially now that he has Matt as a leverage over Karen, and Karen as a leverage over Matt. Yeah, I could see that working :)

Why? Well, he wouldn't explain himself. Maybe on a whim, annoyed to be bothered. Maybe it really is just nothing to him, just one of many possible Solutions that he semi-randomly chose. Maybe as a potential future ace in his sleeve, I'm sure he has many.

Probably a little of all three.

I don't think he would neccessarily kill the manager though. Not initially at least. What is the guy gonna do? He can just be told off and told that the thing is taken care of, now get to work. James doesn't even need to lie to him — the manager doesn't get to decide HOW things are taken care of, or when they're considered to be dealt with. James can do what he chose to do right in his face, and declare his job done. (And I feel that "kill them all" is much more Fisk's go-to tactic than Weasley's. He's better at his job than that, no need to bother with all the filth.)

Pissed Manager being alive (for a while?) can be a plot device, too, so I wouldn't let him go that easily. He's still useful ;)

One more thing to consider — "At what cost?" is a real question for us. Maybe none if it's a solution like any other, but... maybe not.

— what do you think?

Yeah, I like the 'Karen doesn't become a slave' better, too.

It's more interesting to have characters of different status. And if she hasn't been a slave already, then Matt is Trying To Help A Free Person, which, you know. Not insignificant.

I don't know, it just feels right.

Still leaves us with the 'who are the other slaves' problem — what do you think about the 'developed OCs' idea?

I wrote some ideas about the other slaves (developed OCs work!) below, I wish this memes format wasn't so confusing 🫠

I think "Fisk-is-in-love-and-relationship-with-Vanessa-but-he-also-sleeps-with-'his friend'-on-the-side-and-doesn't-consider-it-a-problem" is a real option.

I think even with the 'he is my friend' thing he would consider Weasley through his status — and sleeping with a slave has a different weight, doesn't it.

I think even Vanessa wouldn't immediately see it as cheeting. She might be slightely displeased by it, and say something like "let me have you all to myself, Wilson" or go for some kind of "mercy" like not having sex with your slave is some kind of a favor to them.

I'm not sure if we (you) decide to go there, but I don't think Vanessa is any obstacle to Fisk taking advantage of James.

I can see Vanessa making creepy 'art' comments at Matt. She's used to handsome men, so he wouldn't neccessarily catch very much of her attention under normal circumstances, but between his blindness and his slave status?

Yeah, he stands out.

For one, he's an object to consider, not a person to have normal (mundane?) relations with. And for another... nothing is quite as beautiful as a tragedy.

I like your thinking about not having Matt raped (again).

I think he'd be occasionally commented on by the staff when they think he can't hear them, and someone would casually put a hand on his butt at least once. Just to drive the realities of his status both to him and the reader, and also drive the point that no, he isn't safe.

But I wouldn't want to go over the edge.

I'll read it in a moment then!

I'm going top-to-bottom step by step, didn't get there yet XD

Ooof, because he's blind. Yeah, that could be interesting. It would also mean that he's very close to all illegal dealings, doesn't need to spy around for it. Which could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what we want the plot to look like.

I always imagined Fisk would have many slaves. Like seriously a lot, maybe around a 100? Or 40?

(Matt wouldn't meet all of them, they're spread-out between tasks and places, and he just has his little bit of Fisk's empire to observe. So we can still have just a few directly in the story).

Some are for status, many as workers in all his various corporations and business dealings, but most of them? Almost like stocks. It even occurred to me that maybe that's why he bought Matt - just to sit there and be his, like money billionaires pile in their accounts and then never use.

I can easily see Fisk noticing his "potential" and buying this scappy student aid to make him into a high-end slave, like a stock you buy on cheap and expect to rise in value later. Matt is young, handsome and educated, plus his blindness can be a perk instead of a flaw in certain circumstances. Making him "high-end" when needed wouldn't take much more than putting him in an expensive suit.

It would make for a pretty frustrating life for both him and James, whose job it is to find all those people something to do. That could be interesting. It would also work pretty well with the cleaning-rooms-to-paralegal line, since James is essentially scrambling.

One blind and one dead... that's so creepy XD. Definitely something Fisk might do, though. Did he deafen them himself?

I answered your answers :))

I realised that I keep saying "we" when reffering to making your story. Is that okay? I feel like I almost adopted this project, but it's still yours.

Say a word, and I'll stop. Sorry.

Yes, sleeping with a slave would be perceived as different by Fisk and most other people, I think. Maybe Fisk wouldn't feel the need to sleep with Wesley while Vanessa is there, but would call him to his rooms on night where Vanessa is elsewhere and he wants company.

"Mr Fisk won't use you, Matthew, (because he uses me for that)

Yes, I see Matt being molested fairly often, but without going past over-his-clothes touches. He's not safe, but he hasn't been bought for that, either.

maybe that's why he bought Matt - just to sit there and be his, like money billionaires pile in their accounts and then never use.
YEAH, I can see that happening!

Fisk can easily have a hundred slaves, just not at his main place, probably; most of them work in his companies and probably have (small) rooms there. They exist, but nowhere near Matt. And yes, Matt will be allowed near the most illegal part of his business because he's blind, not a threat obviously.

What do you mean by high-end slave? Similar to Wesley's role?

Poor James having to manage too many slaves with little to do.

I didn't go so far as Fisk deafening his slaves himself 😶‍🌫️
That's more Gao's style? (If Matt ever finds out about Gao's blind slaves, he'll react as badly as he does in the show.)
I just thought he looked for damaged slaves when picking some to personally attend him, but maybe he does take a page from Gao...

No worries! I'm writing it, but we're definitely plotting it out together. Which I appreciate. :)

Yup. I was too tired to write it out after the whole rabis thing, but Frank will definitely put some very annoyed stitches in Matt - while also interrogating him and Having Words.

And since Matt is injured and also has two children to carry he can't easily escape, which, you know - bonus. As far as Frank's concerned, anyway.

It might be a Tiny Hell for Matt for a while xd 😈

I can help with re-writes and some such later-on, if you want to polish it out before posting on AO3 or something.

Co-writing would get messy FAST is a story as complex as this one, so I'm not offering that (at least not yet) since it would be way more trouble than it's worth at this point. But I can definitely take some of the burden of ironing-out consistency issues (I bet we'll have some xd), filling out plotholes and general editing, if you want. I do feel like adopting this story, so I figure we can co-parent xD

Let me know if that's something you might be interested it. No worries either way :)

I'm unsure about posting it on Ao3 tbh! But if it does develop an actual (solid) plot at some point, it'll probably be worth posting it. At which point I'd appreciate all the help! It's kinda frustrating not being able to edit comments here 🫠

Thanks for coparenting this story with me! :)

Not similar to Weasley, just, you know — expensive.

A status symbol that you dress in Armani clothes and take to galas where people can see it and envy, like a sportscar

instead of a bullied grey-collar 'worker' whose main job is to do their cleaning tasks unobtrusively and not interrupt.

I don't think Fisk would use Matt this way — not most of the time, at least — but he would definitely recognize that he could. Maybe that's the position that allowed James to climb above his status? (Not neccessarily at Fisk's side - he might have done that before him, with a previous owner. What IS his story, anyway? I don't think it'd come up in the fic but we should know)

I don't want James to feel threatened by Matt though. I think adding that to their dynamic would be a little much. No, I want Matt to be very clearly at the bottom of the pecking order, while James is precariously balancing at the top.

All this also has me a little worried about the "goes to all the top illegal meetings" role, because that definitely feels like an "Armani suit" position.

And also — maybe more importantly — the thing that James already does.

I see Matt more as the "menial tasks and mostly invisible" kind of slave, who has the potential to be used as an Armani but isn't because Fisk is extremely rich and has enough Armanis already — like people who have too many yachts, so they use this one as a storage room. So —

— he could display Matt as a status symbol and that's why he bought him, but now that that's done he has no need for it. Might as well toss this one in the corner and tell him to sweep the floor instead.

(I know I've repeated myself like three times here, sorry. I'm thinking out-loud)

No worries! Yeah, I see what you mean.

I didn't intend for Matt to potentially replace James or "threaten" his position, that would never happen; I was thinking more along the lines of an almost-invisible waiter, there to serve Fisk and associates while they ignore him and discuss their business. James is seated at the table with them/in on the discussion, Matt brings the tea. (Maybe not literally, or maybe yes, but I hope what I mean is clear!)

Also yes, I can just see Fisk exhibiting Matt and probably other slaves in elegant clothes when he goes to some event, then having them cleaning his house in casual clothes when they're off the cameras.

James' story, uuh. I don't think Fisk was his first owner. I think his previous owners raped him as they pleased (sorry, James), so the fact that Fisk asks and doesn't hurt him makes him see Fisk in a good light (it's still rape, but James doesn't have the clarity to see that, I don't think). He was an expensive, well-educated slave, and Fisk bought him not just as a status symbol but also because he needed an assistant and didn't want to trust a free person for the position. (This was probably relatively early in Fisk's rise to power.) Fisk values his brain, not just his body, and after several years of service he trusts him to take care of his business.

James isn't free (doesn't think he could ever be), but his condition under Fisk is better than every other experience he's had, so he's very determined to keep his position. He's used to being a slave; I think if he had the option to be freed, he'd be scared of freedom (I'm not saying he wouldn't take it, but he'd be scared because all his life revolved about someone else's desires for so long).

He's sympathetic to Matt, but probably thinks he just has to get used to being a slave. He's been one for seven years, but (in James' mind) he's got it easy with his previous owner, and serving Fisk isn't that bad either. He'll come to see that. (Matt definitely won't come to see that.)

What do you think?

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(Circling back to the "other slaves" discussion, Melvin will definitely be one of them. Fisk's personal tailor (canon); maybe at some point Fisk will send Matt to him to be properly clothed for some important event.)

About Fisk deafening his slave himself - Fisk is obviously a hands-on guy (like with Ben), so it just came to mind.

Might be that he has in mind a specific slave for the role the deaf-slave would play in his operation, who, tragically — isn't deaf. He might think it a heavy enough deed that he should do it himself (like, again, with Ben).

Or he might order it to Weasley, doing which would shake James to the very core, which Matt would notice---

(Of course, if you want a loyal slave, which you probably do in your inner crime circle, then mutilating them probably isn't the best. But then, if you want to permanently mold someone to your purposes and force loyalty (obedience?) on them, then yeah, mutilation actually works. And it's a really strong plotline for a strongly developed OC. Wouldn't be easy to write, though. What do you think?)

Eh. Something to consider.

And about Gao - I can't really see Gao's slaves as the same kind of "worker" that Matt is. I'd keep this like it's in canon - they are trafficked, isolated migrants who are controlled and enslaved in anything but name. But they're not officially bought slaves, because slavery is legal, and Gao's operation is... not.

Which also means that what little legal protections and regulation there is, it doesn't actually reach them. They're not on record anywhere. They are invisible to the system. They have never existed. Anything could happen to them, and the system would never notice.

...but also, they could DO anything and the system would never notice. Escape? They don't have a slave status. No problem. (Weeell, some problems. But anyway.)

I see potential for some strong OCs and a sub-plot here, what do you think?

Oh, and I meant to ask! If Matt was bought as a stock-asset to sit uselessly in Fisks bank account, someone will have to tell him that. There's no way he would realise that himself, naive summer child that he is, and we need a way to display that to our readers.

So the vision I have in mind is - another slave explains that to him.

Could be James, coldly, gently, or just tiredly. But it could also be a strong scene to introduce an OC - what do you think? For some reason, my mind imagines a strongly-built, older woman of color, who has seen some shit and becomes a bit of a mentor to Matt. DD is seriously lacking in female characters, so maybe we should lean that way?

(...okay, there are female characters. But, I don't know, it feels like something's lacking.)

My next comment is all about workshopping OCs! Backgrounds, plotlines, some such. Come do that with me there :))

(Oh, Melvin! Of course! Melvin!!)

(Love the idea, in case that wasn't obvious xd)

Jumpsuits. Cleaning his house in grey jumpsuits. 😈

Very evil! XD

Invisible waiter, yeah, that works. I think I would prefer it to be an occasional at-need thing rather than his regular and established role, but, yeah. I can see that.

And I think observing James at that table would change their dynamics, maybe not immediately but significantly. Is this where he hears someone say that he's a slave? Does he witness one of them (metaphorically or not) spit in James' face when Fisk isn't looking, or actually when he is looking (and cows it, I hope)? Does he sense things that are hidden under James' polished demeanor, like him being unhappy with the plan? How much does he see James in power, and how much does he see him in vulnerability?

Maybe this would be what prompts Matt to interact with James on a more personal/behind scenes basis... I think Matt would be the first to make that kind of a move, what do you think?

I'm not entirely convinced by your Weasley but I like where you're going.

I think maybe we're piling too much sex abuse on him — Leland molests him on regular basis, Fisk has sex with him on regular basis, AND he was raped left and right by previous owners? I don't know, that feels like too much.

I don't want James to be defined by life-long sex abuse.

I also think his mind is a little too vulnerable in your characterization. His position of power is questionable and precarious, but I still want him pretty close to the Weasley we see in canon — cold, methodic and in control.

What is the system here? How do people become slaves, are some of them born to it?

Can children be slaves?

What about criminals?

I know you mentioned Matt losing his freedom because of debts, but I'd like it to be more complex than just that. Not neccessarily in Matt's personal story, just - the system in general.

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