daredevilkink | Discussion/Off-Topic Post #1

Nonnie, I think you're missing my point in context with the OP's statement re: the 'nice guy' vs the nice guy. IIRC (and maybe I don't!) but when Matt follows Karen she's their client, and she's lying to them at the time, which is why Foggy and Matt are suspicious. Matt knows Karen's telling the truth about not killing that guy (which is why he takes the case when Foggy wants to ditch her for not being a paying client), but she's also lying and hiding something else. Yes, he follows her, but it's not out of misguided concern, it's straight up concern that whatever she's sneaking OUT OF HIS SAFE HOUSE to go do is not going to end well. And here's the important part, it's not in context with him being sexually attracted to her, it's about the job, and about him promising to protect her. Foggy, later, has no real reason to be creeping on Karen, she's not their client anymore and she's allowed to turn him down for a date and go have personal business elsewhere. If she wanted them to know where she was going she'd have said, but she doesn't and Foggy doesn't like it so he follows her. By that point everybody knows Foggy has a thing for her. Him stalking her isn't professional, it's personal, and it's weird and invasive and there are laws against that. :) Anyway, that's my point about the stalking. We don't know the context of Foggy somehow knowing about Matt hieing himself off to Fogwell's Gym, but the fact that he knows about it while Matt doesn't know how rings some alarms for me. But yknow, maybe those kinds of things Foggy does are considered romantic or sexy to some people, so my opinion is subjective, sure.

TLDR: I'm not trying to start an argument, either, but it's not literally the same thing Matt does in episode one. Technically, yes, literally, no, the contexts are very different along with the motivations.

So I've been sort of working on a fill for Matt vs some of Stick's other child soldiers, and I'm watching Daredevil fanvids right now,and I know why his fighting style is like that, with the jumpy spin flip kicks, out of universe (It looks cool) but regarding in universe reasons.

Does anyone else think part of the reason why Matt fights like that is because Stick taught him how to fight as a child sized person?
In the flashbacks to the end of Matt's training the he's got a very aerial style which maybe isn't what you would teach someone with adult Matt's height and weight.
Although he isn't that big, and on a probably unrelated note the only people I've seen pull off that flip to get out of the arm bar have been people smaller than the person holding them.

just as a clarification here: i do not condone stalker behavior, especially thinking that it's romantic or sexy. i'm just saying that foggy's behavior was understandable (from a friend perspective! not even from a romantic one!) because karen was sneaking around, acting incredibly weirdly, etc. you gotta remember that the circumstances of karen's release was based purely on the fact that foggy and matt were able to poke holes in the corrupt police force's reasoning for keeping her locked up in the first place.

logically? even if karen isn't considered a target anymore, i'd be similarly worried about her (which would also explain why foggy was following her around with not only a softball but an entire bat, jesus christ foggy. he figured she was in significant enough danger that he might actually have to crack some heads with it). i mean sure, it's totally normal for karen to feel weirded out by the fact that her boss is trailing behind her with a weapon but i just can't really fault foggy on that since he seems like the type to give himself an ulcer worrying over people.

there is one thing that i will absolutely fault foggy on, though, and that's the fact that he doesn't understand how dangerous it is to be a woman in new york city, god love him. that conversation he has with karen in the bar where she says "i just see dark corners" and he replies with something along the lines of "but not everything is out to get you? look at these surly ex-cons sitting around, they're actually good people"? terrible. you don't tell a woman who feels uncomfortable in the city after hours that sort of thing. and later on when foggy says "did you know karen carries mace on her keychain? sometimes i worry about her": no shit, dude, most women over the age of 17 carry pepper spray or mace because they have to. most girls leaving for college get pepper spray from their parents because they need it.

overall? i think foggy doesn't really realize that some of the things he says or does can be construed as creepy or oblivious because he doesn't know what it's like to be walking the streets of new york as a woman, y'know? i think it's just that the stuff he does is out of good intentions but he just doesn't know.

OP You and I have the same problem, anon <3

Separate from that, I would be willing to run a small thing during the prompt freeze to add a low-stress element of competition and accountability to the fill fest and encourage more writing? With points for the number of fills & total word count you do. The only prize I could offer is... being the first prompt on the new post, I guess. And the satisfaction of winning. If people want it?

OP here, and I'd love to try this out during the next prompt freeze. Low-stress sounds good to me. :-) We don't even have to have prizes, just the satisfaction of taking part.

I recently posted that Mrs. Nelson is Mrs. Weasley fill and I just realized I used mum in that so I'm sorry if it put anybody off - I live in Canada and use mom/mum interchangeably but I try to keep an eye on it.

Thanks for the reminder! :D

I'm Australian and we tend to use both UK and US English. I think we're generally more UK English leaning, though. I was certainly taught to default to UK during school. This means that when I write fills I keep the general text UK and make the dialogue US. It's probably a little jarring, but I kind of have fun with it.

Weirdly, this has been most relevant for arse vs. ass.

Kinkmeme, I guess.

Well, I don't have a specific fighting name, but I theorize the aerial combat has to do with the fact Matt can't see and thus, cannot see where certain projectiles are coming from. So he has to keep moving, weaving and dodging to avoid certain attacks because trying to hit a moving target is harder. (if Matt can't see what he's hitting, neither can they!) But as a result of this, it does take a lot more energy to jump and twist and flip. If Matt fought in the daytime, he'd probably look like a freakin' idiot, all that unecessary backflipping and parkouring. Matt also seems to prefer jumping and landing on his enemies, knocking them out with one punch. So he's basically acting like a stone being dropped out of the sky, only preferring to hitting certain weak spots (knees, elbows) to stop them temporarily so he can focus his stone-dropping technique on another badguy. Once said badguy is unconscious, Matt then turns around and stone-drops the other guy.

You honestly just lectured a trans person about what trans people should find offensive?

Ok.

(also that's not the origin of the asterisk usage AT ALL buuut you don't seem the type to care so whatever -shrug-)

Yeah, this.

I'm not that bothered by the 'world on fire' because there's got to be some way for the show to interpret how Matt percieves the world around him, but yeah, the number of people who don't grasp the fact that he can't see with his eyes at all even slightly is...aggravating.

Although I do have to go through my fic afterward and double check that I haven't left any visual context in Matt's POV because it's just...habit, to write like that? Like, I wouldn't have him waxing poetic about the color of Foggy's hair, but sometimes I do slip up and have him observe something that there's no real way for him to know.

It doesn't bother me all that much in text, and I wouldn't want to see anyone get ripped into for it either way, but it can be kind of noticeable in dialog, I think--not so much the 'Mum' thing, for me, as British-sounding turns of phrase that American characters just wouldn't say.

AYRT

:D

Matt in the comics is taught those aerial moves because Stick's own training goes back to an Eastern style, not Western. Matt's influence in the grounded end of his very distinct spectrum of fighting abilities is based on his father, Jack, and Western boxing. It's slower, more strength and power based (this is more of Matt's offense, at the expense that he leaves himself open more often). But the aerial moves come from the Eastern philosophies Stick taught him, which is faster, lighter, less powerful (more defensive, less likely to get hit, but requires much more less powerful attacks).

I know fandom calls Matt a tiny ninja, but the moves Matt used really are Eastern forms, it's really ninjutsu, where he's searching for a higher plane from where to attack in a downward trajectory where possible, because those do more damage (combined with force and mass). If you dig down into ninjutsu, the attacks are based on 'smarter, not harder' philosophy, and there're maths and angles and the laws of physics involved. I'm really curious how Matt sees these types of things in his head in the middle of a fight, or maybe he just doesn't actively think about it anymore.

If you look at Matt fighting Nobu, you'll see Nobu is fighting in the same style, Nobu is also doing Matt's high kicks and flips but obvs has better training. On the plus side, Nobu is supposed to be very high up in The Hand organization of assassins, so Matt's very odd combination of Eastern/Western style kind of balances the weaknesses of the other forms, if that makes sense? I think in some sense you're correct that Matt would HAVE to fight this way (more Eastern-based) to be so successful because he's just not that big of a guy. He's muscular, but full grown at 5'10" and ~165 he just... doesn't have enough weight or mass to go against bigger, stronger opponents, so has to use more strategy and trajectory-based offenses (like a child would, yes). :)

i think foggy doesn't really realize that some of the things he says or does can be construed as creepy or oblivious because he doesn't know what it's like to be walking the streets of new york as a woman, y'know?

I can TOTALLY agree with you on the first half of that sentence, because I really do love Foggy, and I would hope at some point we do get to see him show a little character growth with respect to how he ignores boundaries. But I also don't think he's excused from crossing boundaries because he doesn't understand what it's like to be a woman (anywhere, not just NY). That's a little too close to excusing any man from crossing ANY boundary with a woman, just because he couldn't possibly understand what it's like to be in her shoes. And I think Foggy knows he crosses boundaries in some instances, maybe specific instances, but does it anyway because he wants what he wants.

When he's in the bar with Karen and he sees her NEEDING that shot of liquor and throwing it back like a pro, he starts prodding her for info and she asks him to leave it alone. And he tells her he's not good at that, he's not good at leaving things alone, and he presses her anyway. She does give in to him and speak up, yes, and maybe that's why Foggy doesn't know how to respect when someone says no, hush, I don't want to talk about this because Karen and Matt both give in to him when he pushes. We see him do some of that to Matt in the flashbacks, too, and especially when he's super angry at Matt for being DD which, hey, he has every right to be angry, but Foggy being angry equates to him also being entitled to ALL Matt's secrets 'and don't you dare leave a damn thing out', and then dismiss whatever he doesn't agree with or understand. Foggy is a NICELY fleshy character with faults and strengths and vices and good intentions (road to hell, etc), and is a 'work in progress.' :) I adore him. And I can totally agree with some of your perspective, nonny, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the rest.

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I'm trans. And I have opinions. That doesn't mean I'm telling any other trans person what they should or should not believe.

I just linked an post that holds my views to have a discussion about what other people thing. I'm not telling anyone else what they should or should not find offensive.

I am however looking for something more substantial from this discussion beyond "I don't find this offensive" and "You're wrong" because um, that's not a discussion.

And I'm not owed a discussion from you or anything, but if you're not here to actually engage with the topic at hand, why are you here?

Also, since I was around when the asterisk was created and popularized and you didn't provide any sources or anything to back up your idea that my take, any of my takes, on the linguistics being discussed are wrong I am just going to have to assume that you don't really know what your talking about and don't actually care to learn any more than what it is you already know. (And for some reason aren't willing to share.) Because what else am I supposed to do? You clearly don't want to engage, at least not in good faith, and it's starting to be a problem.

^^^^ <3

Trans* anon here.

I shouldn't be surprised that you want to control how trans people choose to identify, but gosh, it's almost like you want to control how trans people choose to identify, unless it aligns with your personal opinion.

Apparently it's alright to have aaaaaalll those other subsets of Trans (AFAB, demi-boy, nonbinary, etc), and yet Trans* is the one thing that you choose to Nope about? Ok.

Drop the victim complex. You'll be happier for it.

Very fandom is nitpicky, some more than others.

I was 16 or 17. I am german and here the legal drinking age for "softer" stuff (beer and wine) is 16. If your are over 18 you can buy strong stuff too.

OP who originally described JD as a bourbon: I stand corrected, and can venture forth in life with this new (and actually kind of fascinating, I had no idea there was such a delineation between bourbon and Tennessee whiskey) knowledge. Thanks for sharing anon! (dude, this is going to get me so many points in a pub quiz one day, I know it).

So I may be asking for it with this question, and I'm only asking because I genuinely want to understand... I've seen some real anti-Bendis sentiment coming from the comic fans on here lately and am wondering if people could articulate maybe why?

I know that some of it comes from stuff to do with how he handled Bobby being gay in the recent X-Men arc, but I adored his work on New Avengers, Daredevil and Alias, and I wonder if the people with an issue with him have read thd majority of his work or not or if it's a knee-jerk reaction. I'd just like a bit of clarification or critical input to see if there's something I'm missing or not getting about why people are lumping him in with Miller in their hatred or negativity.

AYRT

Thanks for not just thinking I'm a pedantic ass!

I've really enjoyed a lot of Bendis's work, including his runs on DD books, but his treatment of women in those books has been abysmal.

I don't think Matt's fighting style is inappropriate for his size. For example, Capoeira is a very aerial style developed by West African slaves in Brazil.

The fight choreographer (Philip Silvera) says that Netflix DD's style is a combination of Wing Chun, Kali, and boxing. I'm not quite sure how that works out, since none of those are aerial at all. Kali at least fits with all the low/ground fighting and the escrima sticks.

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