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Re: "I Smell Your Rookie Moves, New Writers" - Chuck Wendig
(Anonymous) 2016-02-07 01:27 am (UTC)(link)Great advice about formatting dialogue, especially the punctuation conventions (which drive me up the wall in fic, personally).
Re: "I Smell Your Rookie Moves, New Writers" - Chuck Wendig
(Anonymous) 2016-02-07 03:37 am (UTC)(link)Hm, I like reading about writing and I like talking about writing, and I think those are good tips, as such, but I would also say they don't necessarily have to apply to fanfiction, especially the part where it's about trimming your stuff down. Would it make for objectively better writing? Probably. But would you rather read a lavish, 30 000 word warm bubble bath-fic-equivalent about your OTP, full of unnecessary fluff, or get the same story, sleekly tightened and much more densely plotted, in 10 000? The better professional novel would definitely be the latter. But the *fanfic* I would prefer would be the former.
I mean, just look at the prompts here. People want to read Matt and Foggy go to the beach, want to read about Matt in detail going onto various unsuccessful dates, want to read about the characters going *swimming*, or having a bath, or adopting cats or having pyjama days, slow dancing, giving each other driving lessons and stuff, and also keep prompting tropes we have had already, and we *adore* the fillers who keep giving us similar stuff over and over and over again. All of that would likely cause a professional editor to headdesk and then hit *you* with your own manuscript if you tried to write an original story with original characters like that. But because we are in love with those characters, in fact, absolutely besotted by them, we enjoy if they are taking ages to get somewhere and have all this lovely description and just-there-to-give-flavour-and-be-cute-scenes along the way, just like the owner of a cute pet wouldn't mind looking at pictures of it for hours, while everyone else who doesn't care about the thing would be bored out of their skull.
(Case in point? Just as an example? The slavery-AU-fills. ALl of them. (and there's like, what, seven? eight?) They could ALL be plotted a LOT faster, and if they were submitted somewhere for professional publishing, they would have to be. But they're not, and I *love* their slow pacing, and could read them forever, and am totally in favour of them taking all of the time in the world to get wherever and give me more lovely, lovely words until then.)
Can there be good fanfic who adheres to the cut-all-unnecessary-fluff rules? Of course. (I have read a few DD gen case!fics that were like that and I liked them) Are there fanfics who at some point become like the worst soap opera and you simply stop reading because you feel like you're trapped in some manga's filler-arc? Definitely. (I have dropped a few where there really seemed to be *no* plot progress AT ALL.) But I've found so far that they're not that many.
tl;dr: I think the linked advice definitely applies to professional publishing, and if you're using fanfic to train for professional writing, you should heed it. But if you're writing fanfic simply to share your love for certain characters/ships, I find that being unnecessarily verbose or adding inordinate amounts of 'unneeded' fluff/angst/general ~feelings~/comedy/character-study-dialogue is exactly what your readers want. Thoughts?
I mean, just look at the prompts here. People want to read Matt and Foggy go to the beach, want to read about Matt in detail going onto various unsuccessful dates, want to read about the characters going *swimming*, or having a bath, or adopting cats or having pyjama days, slow dancing, giving each other driving lessons and stuff, and also keep prompting tropes we have had already, and we *adore* the fillers who keep giving us similar stuff over and over and over again. All of that would likely cause a professional editor to headdesk and then hit *you* with your own manuscript if you tried to write an original story with original characters like that. But because we are in love with those characters, in fact, absolutely besotted by them, we enjoy if they are taking ages to get somewhere and have all this lovely description and just-there-to-give-flavour-and-be-cute-scenes along the way, just like the owner of a cute pet wouldn't mind looking at pictures of it for hours, while everyone else who doesn't care about the thing would be bored out of their skull.
(Case in point? Just as an example? The slavery-AU-fills. ALl of them. (and there's like, what, seven? eight?) They could ALL be plotted a LOT faster, and if they were submitted somewhere for professional publishing, they would have to be. But they're not, and I *love* their slow pacing, and could read them forever, and am totally in favour of them taking all of the time in the world to get wherever and give me more lovely, lovely words until then.)
Can there be good fanfic who adheres to the cut-all-unnecessary-fluff rules? Of course. (I have read a few DD gen case!fics that were like that and I liked them) Are there fanfics who at some point become like the worst soap opera and you simply stop reading because you feel like you're trapped in some manga's filler-arc? Definitely. (I have dropped a few where there really seemed to be *no* plot progress AT ALL.) But I've found so far that they're not that many.
tl;dr: I think the linked advice definitely applies to professional publishing, and if you're using fanfic to train for professional writing, you should heed it. But if you're writing fanfic simply to share your love for certain characters/ships, I find that being unnecessarily verbose or adding inordinate amounts of 'unneeded' fluff/angst/general ~feelings~/comedy/character-study-dialogue is exactly what your readers want. Thoughts?
Re: "I Smell Your Rookie Moves, New Writers" - Chuck Wendig
(Anonymous) 2016-02-07 05:47 am (UTC)(link)Hm, I disagree, and I think it's because we're coming at this from different angles.
To me, fanfic may as well be its own genre. Like YA, it encompasses MANY various genres and tropes, but it's still it's own thing with its own conventions, many of which are deeply rooted in the overall Romance field.
And in Romance, feelings ARE the plot. Feelings are precisely what's interesting about the story. 'Fluff' doesn’t mean 'inconsequential', it's a subgenre where the plot is 'something happens that makes the characters happy.'
In that case, lingering on smiles and jokes and the little things that build a character's happiness or closeness with another character is *exactly* what is interesting in these stories. For our purposes, that is the aspect the article urges us to stick to because that is our *plot.*
But what should probably be cut? A detailed item by item list of what's in the beach bag, especially when those items are never mentioned again. A crazy specific class schedule that has no bearing on the events of the story. Every single ingredient and step involved in making a pie. And frankly, any conversation that hasn't been reworked to do *something* other than tell the reader about the author's opinions on XYZ topic.
For us, all of the above is our equivalent of what he describes as 'Guy goes to work, works, comes home, has dinner, goes to bed.' It's filler that's repetitious and boring because there's no meaning to it other than the author felt every single detail needed to be spelled out. And yeah, that's a rookie mistake.
Fic does tend to focus on minutiae, and that's perfectly fine because that is one of the building blocks of what we do. But the best fics are the ones that pick SPECIFIC details to focus on, details that reveal something about the character/atmosphere/plot. This kind of craft is about making your words work for you so they tell a stronger story and have a deeper emotional impact. And that has nothing to do with publishing professionally, that's just what's needed to tell a good story.
The article isn't actually saying to cut out all cuteness or fluffy stuff. It's saying to cut out the things that *really don’t matter* to the *story you are trying to tell.* For us, feelings and tension and introspection ABSOLUTELY matter and should be paramount. But learning to cut out the character's summer reading list would probably make you a better fic writer, tbh.
To me, fanfic may as well be its own genre. Like YA, it encompasses MANY various genres and tropes, but it's still it's own thing with its own conventions, many of which are deeply rooted in the overall Romance field.
And in Romance, feelings ARE the plot. Feelings are precisely what's interesting about the story. 'Fluff' doesn’t mean 'inconsequential', it's a subgenre where the plot is 'something happens that makes the characters happy.'
In that case, lingering on smiles and jokes and the little things that build a character's happiness or closeness with another character is *exactly* what is interesting in these stories. For our purposes, that is the aspect the article urges us to stick to because that is our *plot.*
But what should probably be cut? A detailed item by item list of what's in the beach bag, especially when those items are never mentioned again. A crazy specific class schedule that has no bearing on the events of the story. Every single ingredient and step involved in making a pie. And frankly, any conversation that hasn't been reworked to do *something* other than tell the reader about the author's opinions on XYZ topic.
For us, all of the above is our equivalent of what he describes as 'Guy goes to work, works, comes home, has dinner, goes to bed.' It's filler that's repetitious and boring because there's no meaning to it other than the author felt every single detail needed to be spelled out. And yeah, that's a rookie mistake.
Fic does tend to focus on minutiae, and that's perfectly fine because that is one of the building blocks of what we do. But the best fics are the ones that pick SPECIFIC details to focus on, details that reveal something about the character/atmosphere/plot. This kind of craft is about making your words work for you so they tell a stronger story and have a deeper emotional impact. And that has nothing to do with publishing professionally, that's just what's needed to tell a good story.
The article isn't actually saying to cut out all cuteness or fluffy stuff. It's saying to cut out the things that *really don’t matter* to the *story you are trying to tell.* For us, feelings and tension and introspection ABSOLUTELY matter and should be paramount. But learning to cut out the character's summer reading list would probably make you a better fic writer, tbh.
So the fillers (all but one) have been announced on the Challenge Page!
So if anyone hasn't checked the page out in a while, you may want to head over there and check out the winning prompts and cheer on the fillers! :D
So if anyone hasn't checked the page out in a while, you may want to head over there and check out the winning prompts and cheer on the fillers! :D
I don't see responding to comments on AO3 as comment fluffing. I try to respond to each and every comment that I get, because for me it's a courtesy to acknowledge that someone took the time to tell me what they thought about my story. Sometimes it spawns a little discussion about the plot, which is awesome when it happens. It's not my fault that AO3 decided to make this count toward the total number of comments on any given fic.
And I will also quite honestly admit that it never occurred to me that some people would not leave a comment because they are anxious about it. My inner self just wants to ask in a high-pitched voice, "Whyyyy???" Cause as an author, I personally love comments. Each and every one of them, be it just a simply "I loved the story" or a long review about plot points or lines that spoke to them.
I would never ever respond to a comment in a mean or snarky way, unless the comment itself was mean or hurtful. (Thankfully, this has never happened to me so far.) Of course I can't speak for others, but IMHO people who leave mean replies on nice or constructive reviews shouldn't be posting their fics online in the first place.
So the next time your finger is hovering over the Comment button, unsure whether to click it, please do. Authors love feedback. They do. It spurs them on and feeds their creativity. If you liked something enough to want to say it out loud, please please please do!
And I will also quite honestly admit that it never occurred to me that some people would not leave a comment because they are anxious about it. My inner self just wants to ask in a high-pitched voice, "Whyyyy???" Cause as an author, I personally love comments. Each and every one of them, be it just a simply "I loved the story" or a long review about plot points or lines that spoke to them.
I would never ever respond to a comment in a mean or snarky way, unless the comment itself was mean or hurtful. (Thankfully, this has never happened to me so far.) Of course I can't speak for others, but IMHO people who leave mean replies on nice or constructive reviews shouldn't be posting their fics online in the first place.
So the next time your finger is hovering over the Comment button, unsure whether to click it, please do. Authors love feedback. They do. It spurs them on and feeds their creativity. If you liked something enough to want to say it out loud, please please please do!
Agreed. To authors, comments are only slightly more addictive than actual heroin.
All right, I'll bite, too. Most of these are pretty heavy on the h/c, cause that's my go-to genre.
1. Sunshine by MomentumDeferred (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4217547)
A very vivid and gripping post-apocalypse AU in an extremely well built and messed up universe. Aliens invaded the world and Matt and Foggy try to survive as best as they can. I don't wanna spoil too much, but the characters undergo quite drastic changes as the story progresses (as in permanent damage due to various types of trauma). One of the best stories I've ever read, and that says a lot -- both in terms of writing and plot.
2. nothing else but change by Katbelle (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4093153)
A fill to a prompt on the daredevilkink meme on Dreamwidth, which was a request for a set of gap fillers for episode 10 (the one where Foggy finds out about Matt’s Daredevil identity). It’s a great look into what might have happened in those moments we don’t get to see on screen.
3. Just In Case by Beguile (http://archiveofourown.org/works/3916291)
A series of (mostly unconnected) h/c fics where Matt gets the crap kicked out of him and Foggy is an awesome best friend. Just the best kind of Matt & Foggy h/c there can be.
4. (cracked this morning) worse than weak by Idlewild (http://archiveofourown.org/works/5468162)
Matt has a pretty bad depressive episode. Foggy helps him through it. It's pretty intense, but vividly written by someone whom I think knows what she's talking about.
5. Beer and Blood by shyday (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4145727)
The city explodes, and Matt is right in the middle of it. Injured and pretty out of it, he stumbles into Foggy's apartment. And because Matt is a stubborn bastard, he wants to go out there again to save more lives, which Foggy thinks is a terrible idea, so he resorts to some pretty drastic measures that Matt doesn't take well. Filled with whump and angst -- the best kind, but also the most hurtful. Don't look for fluff in this one.
1. Sunshine by MomentumDeferred (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4217547)
A very vivid and gripping post-apocalypse AU in an extremely well built and messed up universe. Aliens invaded the world and Matt and Foggy try to survive as best as they can. I don't wanna spoil too much, but the characters undergo quite drastic changes as the story progresses (as in permanent damage due to various types of trauma). One of the best stories I've ever read, and that says a lot -- both in terms of writing and plot.
2. nothing else but change by Katbelle (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4093153)
A fill to a prompt on the daredevilkink meme on Dreamwidth, which was a request for a set of gap fillers for episode 10 (the one where Foggy finds out about Matt’s Daredevil identity). It’s a great look into what might have happened in those moments we don’t get to see on screen.
3. Just In Case by Beguile (http://archiveofourown.org/works/3916291)
A series of (mostly unconnected) h/c fics where Matt gets the crap kicked out of him and Foggy is an awesome best friend. Just the best kind of Matt & Foggy h/c there can be.
4. (cracked this morning) worse than weak by Idlewild (http://archiveofourown.org/works/5468162)
Matt has a pretty bad depressive episode. Foggy helps him through it. It's pretty intense, but vividly written by someone whom I think knows what she's talking about.
5. Beer and Blood by shyday (http://archiveofourown.org/works/4145727)
The city explodes, and Matt is right in the middle of it. Injured and pretty out of it, he stumbles into Foggy's apartment. And because Matt is a stubborn bastard, he wants to go out there again to save more lives, which Foggy thinks is a terrible idea, so he resorts to some pretty drastic measures that Matt doesn't take well. Filled with whump and angst -- the best kind, but also the most hurtful. Don't look for fluff in this one.
I read people dont like him for the reason that he is a comedy relief on the show and they dont put him to do much. I se this case with Laurel on Arrow, she is probably the most hated person on the fandom, they complain about everythign she does and seriously, the woman playing ehr do a good job but some fans just look into things too much and find every excuse to hate her.
the one that made the comment said that Foggy is popular because he is paired with Matt and taht's just bs I wasnt a shipper when i started on this fandom. The works and everything was the reason i started to like them as a couple.
the one that made the comment said that Foggy is popular because he is paired with Matt and taht's just bs I wasnt a shipper when i started on this fandom. The works and everything was the reason i started to like them as a couple.
OP here.
I've submitted the thing.
also using your tips, and I thank you VERY much for taking the time to comment
I've submitted the thing.
also using your tips, and I thank you VERY much for taking the time to comment
So since we have such a beautifully thriving base of slavefic--
What do other authors/fans like about slavefic? What's your favorite tropes/scenes/moods? Which of the Daredevil slavefics do you like and why? Which ones are Too Much for you? Does slavefic ever trip your triggers, despite you normally enjoying it?
What do other authors/fans like about slavefic? What's your favorite tropes/scenes/moods? Which of the Daredevil slavefics do you like and why? Which ones are Too Much for you? Does slavefic ever trip your triggers, despite you normally enjoying it?
I love scenes where the enslaved person really expects the worst of the owner, and it doesn't happen. (Or does--I'm not gonna lie, I like me some darkfic.)
I also really like the truly demented sweetness/crazy it can give opportunities for. (The Ranskahovs/Matt slavefic, for example).
I also really like the truly demented sweetness/crazy it can give opportunities for. (The Ranskahovs/Matt slavefic, for example).
I'm very picky with fic - I don't like dark versions of characters, and I'm rarely interested in the villains. So for me, I like the 'I'm morally opposed to slavery but got you anyway, now how do I help?' kind of fics.
For me, the iPad/Avengers, Snuff Bait, Opposite, and Lost and Found (on Ao3) fics have all been fics that have been really great for my personal tastes. I think all of them (except Opposite) have totally hit my narrative love of 'I'm dreading sex but will accept/offer it anyway, but it turns out you're too good of a person to accept.' (I actually have a personal tag of 'offering sex' in my bookmarks, heh, and it's not all slave fic.) I'm afraid I hated the MedFet one - it stumbled right into two of my big squicks (no slight on the writing or others who like it, of course). I haven't read most of the others, as they usually fall in to the dark character/villain thing.
I love worldbuilding, especially ones that get a little bit in to how other countries few slavery. I love seeing other characters, including OCs or other Avengers, and seeing how they feel about slavery. And I adore the h/c aspect of it.
(I also love how many slavefics we have in the fandom right now. I'd expect it of a bigger fandom, but this one isn't that huge, and we have so many, they can cater to all tastes!)
For me, the iPad/Avengers, Snuff Bait, Opposite, and Lost and Found (on Ao3) fics have all been fics that have been really great for my personal tastes. I think all of them (except Opposite) have totally hit my narrative love of 'I'm dreading sex but will accept/offer it anyway, but it turns out you're too good of a person to accept.' (I actually have a personal tag of 'offering sex' in my bookmarks, heh, and it's not all slave fic.) I'm afraid I hated the MedFet one - it stumbled right into two of my big squicks (no slight on the writing or others who like it, of course). I haven't read most of the others, as they usually fall in to the dark character/villain thing.
I love worldbuilding, especially ones that get a little bit in to how other countries few slavery. I love seeing other characters, including OCs or other Avengers, and seeing how they feel about slavery. And I adore the h/c aspect of it.
(I also love how many slavefics we have in the fandom right now. I'd expect it of a bigger fandom, but this one isn't that huge, and we have so many, they can cater to all tastes!)
Ha, I love me some good slavefic, that's why I write it.
I personally also sometimes like darkfic, but a huge part of why I like slavefic, especially from this fandom, is because it allows for a narrative where a character (Foggy's, usually) heroism comes from their decision to just be a good person, even though it's hard.
I love how compassion and loving someone else is explored and emphasized as what makes a character be a hero, especially because in a lot of more realistic superhero genres (like Daredevil), the canon itself often falls short on showing how much kindness is a heroic and difficult act.
I also really like how it has characters with completely different, clashing worldviews trying to understand each other, and how characters have to try to connect despite practically living in different worlds. (My own fic has a ton of misunderstandings, and I love writing them.)
I do enjoy the kind of h/c fantasy aspect of them, where it's like 'if you get someone who loves you enough/if you win the lotter, you get to be all better', though it's not what I myself want to write. But also, I do like well-done fluff and h/c, and snuff-bait, iPad, Trouble!Matt etc are all very good fluff and h/c as well as comedy.
(I prefer writing more realistic 'that is not how brainwashing/mental illness works' stuff, personally, because I feel like it provides for a more nuanced story. That, and you get more of an opportunity for some truly fucked-up shit. Never let it be said I'm not a trash baby for certain horrible things, or that I didn't learn from my time avidly consuming the hydra trash party what I liked about horror.)
Medfet!Matt trips my triggers hard because it has a Foggy who decides to hurt Matt 'for his own good' because Matt is bad at self-care, which makes me froth at the mouth a bit. (I can think about it apart from the fic itself, as in the universe of a not-so-saintly Foggy, but I can't read the fic itself even a little bit.) And something about 'Lost and Found' does, too--probably the dystopia? I'm not sure. Anyway, that's actually complimentary to both writers, ofc, because if it was badly written, it wouldn't be triggering at all. (See also: 30 Hs).
I personally also sometimes like darkfic, but a huge part of why I like slavefic, especially from this fandom, is because it allows for a narrative where a character (Foggy's, usually) heroism comes from their decision to just be a good person, even though it's hard.
I love how compassion and loving someone else is explored and emphasized as what makes a character be a hero, especially because in a lot of more realistic superhero genres (like Daredevil), the canon itself often falls short on showing how much kindness is a heroic and difficult act.
I also really like how it has characters with completely different, clashing worldviews trying to understand each other, and how characters have to try to connect despite practically living in different worlds. (My own fic has a ton of misunderstandings, and I love writing them.)
I do enjoy the kind of h/c fantasy aspect of them, where it's like 'if you get someone who loves you enough/if you win the lotter, you get to be all better', though it's not what I myself want to write. But also, I do like well-done fluff and h/c, and snuff-bait, iPad, Trouble!Matt etc are all very good fluff and h/c as well as comedy.
(I prefer writing more realistic 'that is not how brainwashing/mental illness works' stuff, personally, because I feel like it provides for a more nuanced story. That, and you get more of an opportunity for some truly fucked-up shit. Never let it be said I'm not a trash baby for certain horrible things, or that I didn't learn from my time avidly consuming the hydra trash party what I liked about horror.)
Medfet!Matt trips my triggers hard because it has a Foggy who decides to hurt Matt 'for his own good' because Matt is bad at self-care, which makes me froth at the mouth a bit. (I can think about it apart from the fic itself, as in the universe of a not-so-saintly Foggy, but I can't read the fic itself even a little bit.) And something about 'Lost and Found' does, too--probably the dystopia? I'm not sure. Anyway, that's actually complimentary to both writers, ofc, because if it was badly written, it wouldn't be triggering at all. (See also: 30 Hs).
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ooooh, my kind of question :D I'm also one more for the fluffier side of things (and the funny side, although *that* is rather rare in slavery AU! XD) so my fav on the meme is 'Hold My Hand'. I like all the other ones as well, though I have to say I much prefer characters being scared of things that *could* happen but then ever so rarely do, like some of the comments above also suggested. So, some of the more horrific scenes in the flashbacks of the snuffbait, or the flashbacks of the opposite-Matt, or the flashbacks in the non-meme fic where Matt is a 'ward' instead of a slave are kind of hard to read. The *reason* why I like slavery AUs so much is probably...power dynamics, and how it's in fiction-land like the ultimate expression of trust between to partners.
Like, I absolutely *adore* it when they've reached the point in any slavery AU where they can make jokes about it, like, Matt, one more Thurgood Marshall quote and I'm going to put you up on Craigslist, I'm not joking, and it's actually *funny*, because for both of them the idea is by now so outlandish that Matt doesn't feel threatened even in the slightest bit, and Foggy knows it. I also love the minute steps it takes to get there - like, the slave character for the first time daring to go to sleep without being tense about it, expressing his opinion, making a joke, eventually even having a fight with his owner, always knowing that the other *could* make their life living hell, but feeling so secure that they *won't*. For a fictional fantasy, that's really one of my fav romantic tropes (I also like similar trust dynamics in the more harmless BDSM-sister universes, where it's also a case of one character (or both, really) trusting the other utterly and completely, giving over all of their freedom for a while.) I don't think I've ever had a slavery fic make me genuinely feel bad, but I do admit whenever it's written from a character's perspective who *doesn't* view slaves as fully-fledged people not deserving this (like the Opposite-Matt, both Foggy and Matt from the medfet fill, the Matt from the Russian fuckpet verse) it makes me want to bang mine (or at least someone's) head against my laptop, because this is NOT RIGHT, but at the same time, it hardly ever stops me reading, if it doesn't descend into 100% torture porn.^^°
I also really like slavery AUs where the more physically powerful character is the one who is enslaved, which is why I slightly prefer the slave!Matt-versions (although I've been having great fun discussing the recent slave!Foggy prompt, too), but I like the dynamic it creates.
Lastly, I do enjoy consent discussions in fics so much, and slavery AU add a *giant* can of worms to that particular topic, making it almost impossible to navigate, and I enjoy that immensely. I also love watching a headstrong character struggle against a terrible position he's been placed in, and refusing to give up, refusing to lose himself or his values, and/or recovering himself with oodles of h/c from a nice owner to go with it. So, yeah. I love it that this meme happened to have so many fics spawned from it and the trope could become a bit popular in this fandom and everyone is having so much fun with it there have been so many updates each week :D
Like, I absolutely *adore* it when they've reached the point in any slavery AU where they can make jokes about it, like, Matt, one more Thurgood Marshall quote and I'm going to put you up on Craigslist, I'm not joking, and it's actually *funny*, because for both of them the idea is by now so outlandish that Matt doesn't feel threatened even in the slightest bit, and Foggy knows it. I also love the minute steps it takes to get there - like, the slave character for the first time daring to go to sleep without being tense about it, expressing his opinion, making a joke, eventually even having a fight with his owner, always knowing that the other *could* make their life living hell, but feeling so secure that they *won't*. For a fictional fantasy, that's really one of my fav romantic tropes (I also like similar trust dynamics in the more harmless BDSM-sister universes, where it's also a case of one character (or both, really) trusting the other utterly and completely, giving over all of their freedom for a while.) I don't think I've ever had a slavery fic make me genuinely feel bad, but I do admit whenever it's written from a character's perspective who *doesn't* view slaves as fully-fledged people not deserving this (like the Opposite-Matt, both Foggy and Matt from the medfet fill, the Matt from the Russian fuckpet verse) it makes me want to bang mine (or at least someone's) head against my laptop, because this is NOT RIGHT, but at the same time, it hardly ever stops me reading, if it doesn't descend into 100% torture porn.^^°
I also really like slavery AUs where the more physically powerful character is the one who is enslaved, which is why I slightly prefer the slave!Matt-versions (although I've been having great fun discussing the recent slave!Foggy prompt, too), but I like the dynamic it creates.
Lastly, I do enjoy consent discussions in fics so much, and slavery AU add a *giant* can of worms to that particular topic, making it almost impossible to navigate, and I enjoy that immensely. I also love watching a headstrong character struggle against a terrible position he's been placed in, and refusing to give up, refusing to lose himself or his values, and/or recovering himself with oodles of h/c from a nice owner to go with it. So, yeah. I love it that this meme happened to have so many fics spawned from it and the trope could become a bit popular in this fandom and everyone is having so much fun with it there have been so many updates each week :D
Hrm. I think I also really like the 'to be kind is an act of heroism' theme, and I like showing how even in the most fucked-up, horrific, no-good-choices environment, there's still compassion and empathy and survival. I also really enjoy brainwashing, and writing completely fucked-up, brainwashed-beyond-all-measure, don't-want-to-recover kind of characters. (I listen to 'Rehab' often while writing my fic.)
I also like the ability to explore mental illness/disability themes with my fic, and to read other author's explorations of that as well. I enjoy the mentions of horrific things, and building dystopias and worldbuilding without making them ridiculous (Mad Max Fury Road vs Snowpiercer, for instance--and I mean that the slavefics tend to be the former, at least in this fandom). I like having complicated, difficult characters, and take a lot of inspiration from how other slavefic Matts don't react to a situation.
Sometimes slavefic--reading or writing--trips my triggers, yeah. Some of the parts about grief or loss or certain, uh, forms of horror hit me way too hard. More than once I've had to steer my own fic away from certain paths because I wouldn't be able to continue in that direction and re-read my own work.
I LOVE the humor in slavefics--morbid vs lighthearted, coping mechanism vs self-harming mechanism, I love it all. And I do enjoy fluff and comfort and Matt Murdock getting hugs. (He needs all of the hugs.)
I also like the ability to explore mental illness/disability themes with my fic, and to read other author's explorations of that as well. I enjoy the mentions of horrific things, and building dystopias and worldbuilding without making them ridiculous (Mad Max Fury Road vs Snowpiercer, for instance--and I mean that the slavefics tend to be the former, at least in this fandom). I like having complicated, difficult characters, and take a lot of inspiration from how other slavefic Matts don't react to a situation.
Sometimes slavefic--reading or writing--trips my triggers, yeah. Some of the parts about grief or loss or certain, uh, forms of horror hit me way too hard. More than once I've had to steer my own fic away from certain paths because I wouldn't be able to continue in that direction and re-read my own work.
I LOVE the humor in slavefics--morbid vs lighthearted, coping mechanism vs self-harming mechanism, I love it all. And I do enjoy fluff and comfort and Matt Murdock getting hugs. (He needs all of the hugs.)
Does Matt Murdock ever need all of the hugs. I really enjoy the kindness as heroism theme, too, it takes a special kind of strength to retain your humanity in those kinds of worlds. I love it if there's any character who can give and give and give, it's a bit like a superhero, who can withstand massive amounts of damage, except it's a regular normal person. One of my favourite literary quotes of all time is from Charles Dickens - it asks to “Have a heart that never hardens, and a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts.” which I think pretty much personifies the kind of characters who might wind up finding themselves in a H/c slave fic.
I also love it when someone's fury at the injustice of it all completely breaks loose in a world like this, and someone gets the dressing-down of their life, and maybe even comes around to understand what kind of rose-tinted glasses they've been watching the world through, and becomes repentant.
I also love it when someone's fury at the injustice of it all completely breaks loose in a world like this, and someone gets the dressing-down of their life, and maybe even comes around to understand what kind of rose-tinted glasses they've been watching the world through, and becomes repentant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_A0Wx0jU4
Discuss.
A lot of the Punisher for those that are anxiously waiting the new season.
1:50 people with great eyes. Who is the guy on the floor?
1:52 Karen... I tawt I taw a puddy tat!
"The guilt means your work is not yet finished"
"Blood is being shed-" "and you've donated more than your fair share"
"I think you're a half measure, i think you can't finish the job"
"Hello Mathew"
YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Discuss.
A lot of the Punisher for those that are anxiously waiting the new season.
1:50 people with great eyes. Who is the guy on the floor?
1:52 Karen... I tawt I taw a puddy tat!
"The guilt means your work is not yet finished"
"Blood is being shed-" "and you've donated more than your fair share"
"I think you're a half measure, i think you can't finish the job"
"Hello Mathew"
YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I AM SCREAMING OH MY GOD!!!! HOW COULD NETFLIX DO THIS TO ME!!!
OP: I'm not angry at all, I just came here looking for suggestions on how others deal with it if they deal with the same situation. I'm not feeling 'why bother' because if I like a story I like to say -something- but my long comments seem to be putting off authors on replying so I've stopped. It's almost universal that if I leave a simple one sentence comment on a story that an author will say thank you, but if I leave a wordy gushing praise on a story it seems like I freak the author out and they don't reply at all, so I'm perfectly ok with being less chatty. Seems like more of a win-win for everyone involved. The only time I stop commenting is if an author repeatedly ignores my praise on a chaptered story, or if they don't reply to any comments in a story. If they don't want comments or comments make them uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine too. If they want to ignore all comments until a story is finished, then I'll wait to read the story and possibly comment when it's complete.
Things I loved about this trailer, let me count them.
Frank's callback to Stick's s1 words, 'Half-measures, Matty.' Everybody wants Matt Murdock to be a killer.
Except Foggy, who wants Matt to stay out of the war. Nothing made me happier than seeing Foggy yelling at Matt about his self-sacrificing martyrdom. Love love love love.
THERE WILL BE A NEW RED MASK AND SUIT OMG OMG OMG ALL RED IT'S THE LEGIT DD SUIT.
Frank pinning Matt down on the rooftop and then eventually chaining him up and TALKING TO HIM instead of killing him. I'm shallow. Someone give me all the Frank/Matt fics. ALL OF THEM.
I'm less thrilled about Matt touching Karen's face but who are we kidding, we always knew they were going to go here. I like Karen a LOT, but I honestly wish her and Matt stayed purely friends.
Holy mother, Elektra breaks into Matt's flat (after he's been touching on Karen's face in the rain) and he knows who it is before he pulls a knife. A KNIFE! What the hell kind of breakup did they have that he feels that harsh about protecting himself from her anyway?
I HAVE EXCITE. And we'll get the second half of the trailer in 10 days. Stick? Fisk? Can't wait.
Frank's callback to Stick's s1 words, 'Half-measures, Matty.' Everybody wants Matt Murdock to be a killer.
Except Foggy, who wants Matt to stay out of the war. Nothing made me happier than seeing Foggy yelling at Matt about his self-sacrificing martyrdom. Love love love love.
THERE WILL BE A NEW RED MASK AND SUIT OMG OMG OMG ALL RED IT'S THE LEGIT DD SUIT.
Frank pinning Matt down on the rooftop and then eventually chaining him up and TALKING TO HIM instead of killing him. I'm shallow. Someone give me all the Frank/Matt fics. ALL OF THEM.
I'm less thrilled about Matt touching Karen's face but who are we kidding, we always knew they were going to go here. I like Karen a LOT, but I honestly wish her and Matt stayed purely friends.
Holy mother, Elektra breaks into Matt's flat (after he's been touching on Karen's face in the rain) and he knows who it is before he pulls a knife. A KNIFE! What the hell kind of breakup did they have that he feels that harsh about protecting himself from her anyway?
I HAVE EXCITE. And we'll get the second half of the trailer in 10 days. Stick? Fisk? Can't wait.
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