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Re: What makes a good villain?

[(Anonymous)]

The way that Frank sees it, though, Matt isn't an innocent--Matt is complicit in the murders, etc, that happen after he lets criminals live. That's why Frank tries to get him to cross over to his side, because he thinks of what Matt's doing as exactly as morally wrong as what they're doing.

And yeah, in the MCU this is baby!Punisher who's just getting started and doesn't have a handle on himself.

Re: What makes a good villain?

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, Frank won't kill Matt because he's an innocent, he says so countless times. You sound like someone who's heard a lot of things about Punisher but haven't actually read his comics.

Re: What makes a good villain?

[(Anonymous)]

To butt in for a sec, speaking as a Frank fan from the comics, he does kill a lot of evil people but his record with collateral damage on innocents is pretty shit. It's something that he deals with regularly.

Frank on the show is doing some serious damage to people too, not just Matt and Karen but like the kid in the court room. Even innocent bystanders like Foggy because Frank torched his own trial, he just dgaf. The whole point of s 2 was showing how poor life choices can snowball into an avalanche and bury your ass, good intentions or not. Nobody is blameless or pure. Just saying.