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(Um can I say at this point: holy shit are you in my brain?? Because my buttons are actually being pummelled over here)

Foggy absolutely makes Matt use the bathroom, because even if Matt needs to go again during the night, foggy would rather it didn't happen. And Matt has to stand there for a minute, with Foggy's eyes on him, and he can't go, but foggy just waits him out. (And maybe this is why foggy brings up bladder control with the doctor? Idk if you saw, mentioned above. Maybe Matt does semi-regularly wake up in the night to go.)

Matt's past experiences with cages have been different - they've been too small, he's gotten cramp, he's been locked in there without food or water for longer than should be allowed. And Matt's thinking about that as he crawls inside, and he pushes himself right into the corner as foggy sets up the water and the buzzer. And foggy watches Matt crawl on all fours and is reminded of what Matt actually is - yes, his friend, but fundamentally a pet. It's how he's been raised, it's how things are, and foggy sometimes forgets that. Forgets how much discipline Matt needs - how he deserves respect, but also requires foggy to deny him, sometimes. Matt will just wind up hurting himself if foggy can't remember that he sometimes needs to be caged, and reminded of his status in Foggy's care/home.

Matt tries to explain when he wakes foggy up - I didn't realise how early it was, I thought that -- but foggy cuts him off. Do you need the bathroom Matt? no, foggy. then lie back down.

Does foggy give Matt cutlery? Does he let Matt go to the bathroom to wash or has he just left a bucket outside Matt's cage? He unlocks the door and Matt climbs out and rushes to get ready, knowing he won't be able to look his best, and helplessly distracted by Foggy's conversation on the phone.

Ugh Karen totally talks to Matt while foggy is out, and Matt tells her about the cage, and he's quiet, embarrassed - Karen's not used to him like that, and she's suddenly reminded of what Matt is, as well. She doesn't know how to act, and when foggy comes back she actually asks - is it okay if I talk to him, today? And foggy gives Matt his food, and talks to her as Matt starts to eat it, saying how Matt's been behaving poorly and probably needs some time to think about what he's done, alone. And Matt's just burning up, eyes pricking, wishing foggy wouldn't talk about him as if he wasn't there - not in front of Karen.

and yessss. Foggy tells Matt how brave and clever he is, because those are the things that were attacked most at the clinic - Matt cried, and was repeatedly called stupid in various ways. And Matt gets this look on his face when foggy goes to clean him up after sex, and it's obvious he doesn't want to be cleaned up...so foggy suggests his collar. They've had it ever since foggy got him, but it's always made Matt uncomfortable so they never used it. But when foggy suggests it this time, Matt jumps at the opportunity - yes, foggy, please, please please -- and foggy is surprised. He puts the collar on Matt, and asks Matt to explain why he wants it so much - asks, rather than demands.

Nope, I'm just writing what seems to fit here.

And yes to Matt having problems pissing on command, and Foggy not giving in. I do love the idea of bladder control testing, but I'm not sure how practical it is in the time they'd have during a last minute appointment.

And yes, Matt's had bad experiences with cages before - the one Foggy's got is a luxury model to him, but it still doesn't stop him remembering the bad times. He's so relieved when Foggy guides his hand to the water bottle - and then to the buzzer - previously he's just been left to piss himself in his cage, and then had to beg to be allowed to clean it up. He kisses Foggy's hand when he's shown the buzzer, whispering his thanks over and over again. And fuck yes, to it really hitting Foggy that Matt is fundamentally a pet, that he needs things Foggy probably hasn't been giving him, discipline as well as love and respect.

And definitely, Matt tries to explain himself - but Foggy's out of patience with his antics, probably includes the order to shut up, and that's the last time Matt tries to start a conversation until Foggy tells him his punishment is over.

I'd say he gives Matt a plastic spoon, and maybe the bowl's plastic too - the sort of bowl and cutlery only the most poorly trained of pets would use. And unf, probably a bucket, cold water, barely enough, with a small, rough towel to dry himself off with, and orders to just piss in the bucket once he's clean. Matt can't focus on anything but Foggy's phone conversation, and Foggy doesn't give him a chance to even brush his teeth, just tosses a bit of chewing gum at him, and tells him to chew on that as they leave the apartment.

And yes, normally he hates the way he's expected/required to look attractive at all times, but now that Foggy isn't giving him the chance to groom properly it makes him feel useless. And maybe Foggy doesn't offer Matt his arm the way he normally would, maybe he just gives him his cane - and Matt's thinking that his owner's so angry with him, so ashamed of his poor behaviour that he doesn't even want to be seen touching him?

Yeah, Karen's not used to Matt acting like property, Foggy's always encouraged him to act like he was their equal, so for Matt to explain that he'd spent the night in a cage, and for it to be perfectly clear from his attitude that he thinks - no, he knows that it's his own fault? She sometimes forgets that Matt's not free, but not today, and she's abruptly conscious of how rude she's being - to Foggy, not to Matt - by going behind his back to question his pet like this. Maybe Matt anxiously explains that even though he's angry Foggy was still kind enough to leave him water, and even give him a buzzer in case he woke up needing to piss.

And yes to her asking if it's okay for her to talk to Matt today when Foggy gets back - she probably asks the same question the next day, when she sees Matt in his collar, even though this time he's put together and smiling, on Foggy's arm. And unf, Matt's humiliation at Foggy talking to Karen like he can't understand - he probably flinches when she asks that question the next day, but this time Foggy tells her that Matt's taken his punishment like a good boy, and it's over.

Oh, definitely, Matt needs to hear that he's brave and clever, because he doesn't feel that way right now. He feels like the stupid cowardly pet he's been called so many times in the past. And definitely for Matt showing that he wants to be cleaned up even less than usual today (because Matt never really wants to wash off Foggy's scent) and Foggy offering the collar, not really expecting Matt to accept. I think they have used it in the past, but only when they absolutely had to, when they needed to go somewhere that doesn't allow uncollared pets. And yes for Foggy asking, not demanding, to know why Matt wants it.

Hm...maybe it's something foggy brings up to the doctor, who then tells foggy how he can do the tests himself at home, then..

Ugh yes to Matt thanking foggy as he's shown the water, but then even more so when he's shown the buzzer (because there have been times where he's been left in a cage for so long that he's felt forgotten about, and other times where he's been given water for the express reason of being made to piss himself, but neither of those is what's happening here, and Matt's so grateful. Maybe that's another reason he presses the buzzer when he wakes up - he keeps thinking about the times he'd prayed for his owner to unlock his cage, even though his owner had been awful. He doesn't know what he'd do if the buzzer didn't work or foggy didn't actually follow through and come to check on him.) I wonder how foggy feels while Matt's thanking him - I feel like either he'd be feeling honest to god pity which Matt would hate, or else irritation, maybe?

Yes, foggy tells Matt to shut up, and Matt just falls silent instantly, but his breathing is a little faster, and he has his fingers between the bars of the cage, already hinting without really meaning to that he wants foggy to touch him/that he's sorry. But foggy just leaves him there, of course.

Guh yes, to the water in a bucket - another thing that brings back bad memories, because how many times had Matt just had a bucket of water emptied over his head, instead of a bath. And usually foggy tells him how he looks/helps him comb his hair, but today he doesn't, and they don't really have time anyway, and Matt wouldn't care if it was just that they'd gotten up late and he's rushing around - he wouldn't give a fuck if he wasn't looking up to other people's standards - but it's different when Foggy's orchestrated it this way, and it's one more thing that makes it hard for Matt to be a good boy, when he knows he absolutely has to be. Ugh yes to the gum as well, which maybe ends up getting commented on at the clinic.

Maybe the cane is pressed into Matt's hand and he hardly knows what to do with it...he doesn't want to ask foggy another question in case he shuts him down again, but he wordlessly touches Foggy's arm/pulls at his sleeve, and foggy just steps out of reach, or maybe even tells Matt no. And he's not ashamed of being with Matt or people knowing Matt's his, because he couldn't ever be, but he is ashamed of matt. Because Matt's better than getting himself beat up even while Foggy's trying his damnedest to look out for him.

Yeah and Karen's surprised to see Matt acting/being treated this way, but then she doesn't really question it? Matt must've something bad for him to be in so much trouble. And she stops talking to Matt when foggy explains he's being punished, and Matt's basically isolated in his office, hardly getting anything done for the rest of the day, until foggy brings him his clothes - maybe he gives Matt a last check over while he's naked, ordering him to stand up straight because he knows Matt wants to preserve a bit of dignity with Karen still in the building, by hunching in on himself.

He definitely would want to assure Karen that foggy was being kind to him, comparatively. Maybe Karen talks to foggy about that, later, and foggy winces, tells her about some of the ways Matt was treated in the past.

Foggy notices the way Matt responds to Karen asking whether she can talk to Matt the next day, and he puts his hand on Matt's shoulder or in his hair, and Matt ducks his head, pleased, when foggy says he's been a good boy. And yes to Matt seeming happy and put together - because, actually, he needed to be put in his place in order to feel good later, and he seems happier to Karen than he has in a long time.

Mmyes. And foggy slowly gives Matt back his responsibility/independence, but he's more careful about it than usual. He's not going to constantly act like Matt's a freeman anymore because it's unhealthy, sometimes, and Matt needs stricter boundaries than Foggy's been giving him.

Maybe...and Foggy isn't sure whether or not he should follow through on that - he doesn't think it's a real issue, lots of people need to get up and go to the toilet multiple times at night, but at the same time...

Oh yes, he's being punished, but Foggy's still taking care of him, making sure he's okay. For some pets their cage is a sanctuary, but it's never been like that for Matt (maybe his disability means he's always been treated as bargain basement goods, damaged and not really meant for display, which is why it feels so good that Foggy normally wants to show him off). I think it's probably mostly irritation when Matt's thanking him - it feels like Matt didn't trust him to take care of him even when he's this angry - but there's probably a bit of pity there as well.

And he never really doubts that Foggy will let him out/come check on him, but...he genuinely does think it's morning, he's narrowed his senses down to Foggy, and maybe Foggy's just got up to piss. He's trying to show his contrition, to cook for his master and be a good pet, but Foggy shuts him down and leaves him there.

And yes, god yes, at least Foggy lets him clean himself up, doesn't just dump the bucket of water over his head, and he's allowed to piss. And yes, to him normally having help from Foggy to look good, so he knows he's pleasing to his master if no-one else, but now Foggy's set it up so that he's going to be a mess all day, he's going to look like the poorly trained pet he was when Foggy got him, not the status symbol Foggy's made him into, that Foggy deserves. And yes to him getting comments on his teeth not being brushed at the clinic.

Unf yes, Foggy's not even giving Matt more than the bare minimum of orders, and Matt doesn't dare actually ask, not aloud, but Foggy moves away from him, and it's a rejection that really hurts. And yes, Foggy is ashamed of Matt, but not for the reasons Matt's thinking, he's ashamed that Matt doesn't understand how precious he is, how he's worth more than getting himself beat up by going out to fight injured.

Oh, definitely, she trusts Foggy, and she knows how lenient he usually is with Matt (maybe even knows about Daredevil, but maybe not) so she knows that for Foggy to be treating Matt like a pet, and a bad pet at that he must have done something terrible. So yes, once she knows that Matt's being punished she respects Foggy's decision, and leaves Matt to stew in his own anxieties and fears. And yes, I love the idea of Foggy giving Matt a last-minute check-over - maybe that's when he catches the ink on Matt's fingers?

And yes, Matt wants to defend Foggy, make it clear that he's being gentle even when he's punishing Matt, and yes to Karen asking Foggy about that later.

Of course Foggy's going to comfort Matt physically when he flinches at Karen checking if he's in trouble, and yes, being put in his place has really helped stabilise him.

And god yes, this does lead to a change, to Foggy actually giving Matt firmer boundaries, and enforcing them in a way he didn't before. Maybe Karen's more conscious of Matt's status from now on as well - checks in with Foggy when Matt seems to be going full speed ahead, making sure he's got his owner's approval, rather than letting him just go ahead with whatever he wants to make.

Hmm...maybe it's something foggy would never normally have considered? But the doctor's been talking about touch deprivation as a punishment and the cage is sort of perfect for facilitating that, and Foggy's thinking, if Matt's going to be in there at some point for a more extended period of time, maybe bladder control would be worth looking into? It's at least something he discusses with the doctor, while Matt's sitting there, face red, nails digging into his palms, trying not to let it get to him.

And yes definitely - Matt's always hated being caged, and honestly, foggy doesn't ever want Matt to feel comfortable in one. He'd rather Matt's first instinct be to try and escape - because with Matt as daredevil, it's those kinds of instincts that might save his life one day. And yeah I think foggy would be irritated - matt's so fucking relieved that foggy isn't abusing him, and Foggy's just like, when have I ever?? Even when he first got Matt, and he swung between being unruly - testing his limits, pushing, acting out - and scarily contrite/submissive (usually when he was scared), foggy always took care of him.

Yeah, Matt had probably been thinking about ways to make it up to foggy, because he feels so bad, and is sure foggy will appreciate Matt making him breakfast, and he's surprised to find out it's not morning. Then he realises there's nothing he can really do to make this better - he just ends up making it worse, and that's frustrating as hell. He just feels helpless. Also - I bet when Matt used the buzzer, foggy almost had a heart attack, half expecting to find Matt panicking or crying, because he understands that the cage might be triggering for him. He's relieved that Matt's mostly okay, then he's pissed that Matt's not accepting his punishment properly - trying to make it up to foggy before he's been given permission.

And all this stuff makes so much sense considering how Matt is at the clinic? Like, foggy goes from focusing all of his attention on Matt, when Matt gets home - yelling at Matt, checking his injuries, etc, to practically ignoring him for almost a day, so Matt's probably getting whiplash already, let alone when the doctor starts being really physical with him. It's no wonder Matt comes so quickly - it's the first time he's been properly touched in what's starting to feel like forever, especially to someone with matt's senses, who relies so heavily on touch. Without physical contact, it doesn't take long for him to start feeling stranded. And also the crying - it's been building and building, and he's having his flaws pointed out to his owner, and Matt doesn't want foggy to think that he's bad or worthless, but foggy must already think that because he's hardly spoken to Matt all day...and then matt's just fucking bawling, and Foggy's either really shocked or had absolutely been expecting it??

And yeah, maybe before the doctor tests Matt's gag reflex he pulls down Matt's bottom lip with his thumb, and looks at his teeth. He asks foggy whether Matt brushes regularly - suggests that foggy might need to do it for him, or watch Matt do it, because it looks like his pet's been lazy and is skipping.

If karen does know, she might even be in the room with them when foggy starts checking over Matt, and she sees all his injuries and guesses exactly what's happened. And yeah, that probably is when foggy notices the ink on Matt's hand - he asks what happened and Matt mumbles something. speak properly. Matt tells him he snapped one of his pens and Foggy's just, did you decide not to listen when I said you have an appointment later?. And Matt blanches because he knows Foggy's referencing all the other times Matt hasn't listened to him. And then foggy drags him or orders him to the kitchen (maybe Matt's still naked....) and fills the sink with water, puts the chipped bar of soap that Matt always avoids into his hand and tells him he's got 5 minutes to get rid of as much of the stain as he can.

And yeah, after it all, Matt finds things changing quite a bit, and even Karen's checking up on him, and he's just not getting away with as much as he's used to. And sometimes it results in him snapping at foggy and/or Karen, but they just take each problem as it comes, knowing it's better for Matt in the long run.

Oooh yes. And the other benefit of using the cage to facilitate punishment is that if Matt's locked up in the cage he can't get out to dress up as Daredevil and get himself hurt again. And he definitely discusses it with the doctor while Matt's sitting there, shivering and trying not to make Foggy any angrier by moving, or doing anything without permission.

No, Foggy really doesn't want Matt to feel comfortable in any sort of cage - maybe if Matt was a normal pet, even with his history it would be a good idea to give him that, teach him to think of his cage as a place of safety, somewhere his owner won't make demands of him - but not for a vigilante. And definitely irritated by that, by the idea that Matt's so grateful not to be abused, that he'd even think Foggy was capable of that, but it also makes him remember Matt's history.

Ooh, yes I like your characterisation of Matt's behaviour when Foggy first got him - I think he was a discard when Foggy got him, a pet that's been judged unfit for purpose, and Foggy's parents got him, because pets are trained in household chores as well, and Matt had been a rich brat's study aid, until the lazy bugger flunked all of his classes, and Matt was blamed for that. (Actually I think the cage cost more than Matt did.)

Oh definitely, Matt's trying deperately to show his owner how sorry he is, and it's just backfiring on him, and Foggy is just so frustrated because Matt scared him again, and he's never been this bad about accepting punishment before.

Oh yeah, Matt's already had half a night and most of a day of punishment, of being ignored and refused the touch he needs so badly to ground himself with. And then he's being touched by a stranger, and he's trying so hard not to listen to people talking about how much his owner must be ashamed of him not to collar him, how badly behaved he must be. He feels like the discard he used to be, that Foggy spent so much time and effort training him not to be. And having his flaws pointed out to his owner is like hearing how much of Foggy's time he's wasted.

Yes, no wonder he starts crying, the doctor obviously thinks he's a discard, badly trained, and Foggy might not have been expecting it when they went into the exam, but he recognised the signs of Matt on the verge of a crying fit.

And yes, Matt probably flinches at that, or tries to, because he's normally good about brushing his teeth, but he never had the chance to do it today.

Ooh yes, if Karen knows that Matt's Daredevil they don't need to hide Matt's injuries or scars, and it's going to be obvious what happened, why Foggy's so pissed. And yes, to Foggy having no patience with Matt trying to hide his mistakes, snapping at him in a way he so rarely does, and referencing all of Matt's previous failures. And oh yes, to leaving Matt naked until he's done his best to clean his hands, and using the bar of soap that Matt tries not to use.

Definitely not getting away with the sort of shit he used to, and having difficulty adjusting to being brought back under control. Karen's new dynamic with Matt ends up a sort of balancing act, because even though he's Foggy's pet he's also one of Karen's bosses. And yes, they definitely work through things as they come, working on keeping Matt as safe and stable as they can.

Ugh yes. And I bet in future there are times they argue about it - when Matt feels like he has to go out, and he's so torn up about it, and maybe he's even yelling because foggy doesn't understand. And Matt can get so angry, too? So he's shaking and upset, but foggy doesn't give in. Sometimes he just lets Matt work himself into exhaustion, until he's worn out and regretful, and then he orders him into the cage. A couple of times, Matt's had what foggy can only describe as full blown fucking tantrums - getting into the cage and then sulking or crying or shredding his bedding between his fingers in agitation as he listens to whatever is going on outside that he can't be part of. And a lot of it is because the cage is still so new and genuinely upsetting to Matt?

Yessss I love all your ideas about Matt's past. I imagine that inbetween his last owner and foggy, Matt spent quite a lot of time in the system, hardly ever brought out to meet prospective buyers, being generally maltreated, and that's how he went from being a 'good' pet to one that was more unstable - prone to mistrust/expect the worst. It might've been in this time that Matt started daredevil-ing as well? And that further blurred the lines for Matt - it's hard to act like a pet when you're parading as a free man at every opportunity. Did Foggy's parents buy Matt especially for foggy? Or did they have him and then give him to foggy later, when they saw how well they got on? Would foggy have trained Matt himself if he belonged to his parents?

Ugh yes, as well as being humiliated by everything the doctor and foggy are saying, matt can hear people talking about him outside the room. And it's been difficult since Matt was finally bought again, but Matt's been trying so hard to be someone foggy can be proud of - as a person and a pet - and people are talking about him as if he never underwent that change? As if everything he's achieved and everything Foggy's done just hasn't happened, as if Matt never met foggy, and he's still back in that godawful situation. And Matt never wanted to be such a disappointment to foggy, and that's what pushes him over the edge and finally makes him cry. And Foggy's been watching matt's face as all these thoughts play out, and yeah, he knows the tears are coming.

Yeah, Foggy's definitely low on patience by now, and he can't believe Matt's still trying to cover shit up, even though it's only something as small as breaking a pen. And Karen's there when foggy gets Matt to speak up, and she's probably thinking about times when matt's avoided answering her questions, even when they're perfectly valid, and later she'll ask foggy about when she ought to press Matt and make him speak to her clearly. And yeah guh maybe Matt will reach for his clothes, but foggy says no, leave them, and makes Matt walk naked to the kitchen, and Karen's never seen him naked, and Matt's not used to that anymore - to his body being on show. Karen's his friend and his employee, and Matt doesn't know whether to drag his feet in the hope that foggy will change his mind and tell him to get dressed, or go as fast as possible to get it over with.

And yes, the new dynamics between him and Karen would be so interesting...she still respects Matt as her boss, but she finds herself looking out for him as well, and although she does what he tells her, foggy gives her permission to use her intuition when he's not around (which isn't often, but still) about what Matt needs. Sometimes she gently insists that Matt goes home, or suggests that he doesn't need another cup of coffee - and Matt opens his mouth to laugh it off or tell her to stop worrying, and then pulls himself up short (except on the times he doesn't - and Foggy's told Karen to let him know when Matt avoids doing what she's asked without good reason). Matt definitely has trouble being brought back under control, but he's so fucking loved and ugh.

Oh god, yes. Matt feels like he has to go out, there's people who need him, but Foggy won't let him, he considers Matt more important than some anonymous stranger, and Foggy's so frustrated that Matt doesn't see that, doesn't value his own skin.

And yes, Matt probably starts acting out again in ways he hasn't since Foggy first got him, and part of it's the cage; it's been years since he's been kept in a cage and it's deeply upsetting. But part of it's that he can still hear what's happening outside, and eventually Foggy twigs to that and gets him earplugs, which don't keep him from hearing everything, but cut it down to almost normal human hearing levels.

And ooh yes to him spending time in the system - but I think he had a bad report from his last owner (who was actually the rich brat's parent) who had impossible expectations - as a pet Matt didn't have the ability to keep the brat's nose to the grindstone the way he was expected to. That downgraded his value, and it's how he went to being valued at least a bit to being a discard. But I don't think he had the freedom to start daredeviling until he was Foggy's.

And yeah, I think they bought Matt for Foggy, and went for a discard on the assumption that he'd be used more as a houseslave than a pet, not understanding that discard usually means behavioural issues.

Oh yes, Matt's been trying so hard to be worthy of Foggy, of the owner who somehow impossibly treats him like a person, gives him allowances no other owner ever would, and now he's made Foggy ashamed of him, embarrassed to claim him. He's disappointed Foggy so much, and that knowledge is overwhelming - he probably begs to be allowed to wear his collar to the clinic if Foggy ever needs to punish him this way again.

Oh god yes, it's less about trying to cover shit up and more about not being able to judge his own volume right then, but Foggy doesn't realise that. And Karen definitely wonders if she should be calling Matt on his evasions too, and it's something she chases up with Foggy later.

Oh yes, Matt knows that a good pet is supposed to be casual about nudity, not to care who sees him naked, but he can count his friends on the fingers of one hand, and he doesn't want Karen to ogle him, but Foggy isn't budging and delaying's just going to get him in even more trouble isn't it?

Oh god yes - Karen's first impression of Matt was that he was the one in charge, and it took this to shake her from that, to make her realise that no matter how much she respects Matt he needs looking out for. And Foggy pretty much designates her as Matt's handler for when he's unavailable, putting it on record formally so that someone's there to look out for Matt if he can't be. And yes to Matt starting to refuse her suggestions before he remembers that Foggy's approved of her making these requests - and Foggy pulling him up when he doesn't.

It's a slow process but they love Matt, and he's so much happier and healthier once he's been brought back to a better balance. He probably wears his collar more often as well, because now he's got a good memory to associate with it, and a traumatic memory linked to going out without it.

Yeah, part of it definitely is the things Matt can hear going on outside. And I can imagine there would be at least one occasion, maybe the last one before foggy gets him the earplugs, when Matt's so upset by it that foggy ends up unlocking the cage - either to pull Matt out and sit with him on the sofa to help calm him down, or foggy actually climbs inside to get his arms around Matt. Because Matt was distressed practically to the point of incoherency? Hands over his ears, yelling, begging foggy to let him out, and foggy doesn't let him go, but he can't deny the comfort Matt's asking for at this stage. And maybe eventually, when Matt's tired enough that he'll be dropping off any minute anyway, foggy leads him back to his cage.

And yes, that makes sense about Matt's history - him and foggy were both in for a shock when they found out who they'd ended up with. Foggy thinks his parents have bought him someone who's practically just a live in servant, and Matt thinks he's been bought by some kind of tyrant...but even when foggy realises that Matt's going to be a handful, he can't let him go, because sometimes he makes foggy laugh so much even without meaning to, and he's so smart, and he's been through so much shit and it isn't fair. And foggy's determined to give Matt the life that he deserves, even though training Matt isn't easy.

Ugh yes, Matt knows he's not supposed to care about being naked in front of other people, but he does, and the worst thing is that foggy knows he does but is making him do this anyway. it probably makes it worse that Matt hasn't washed properly that day - he feels dirty, and he's scared Karen will just lose all respect for him. Delaying would definitely mean more trouble, because they're on a tight schedule, especially with the last minute appointment, and Foggy's already annoyed that they're wasting time because of Matt needing to wash his hands.

Yes to Karen being designated as Matt's secondary handler - she takes the role as seriously as she does her actual job, and together her and foggy work out how things might change at the office to help accommodate how foggy wants to start treating Matt. Not big changes - Matt's still Foggy's partner, and has more authority than Karen in terms of their work, and he still often takes the lead on cases etc - but still things that will somehow enforce his status as Foggy's pet, rather than ignoring it.

Yeah, i feel like foggy would wait for Matt to ask for his collar every time, because it's a big thing - an obvious sign that Matt is owned by someone else. But eventually, maybe, Matt does just pretty much become a collared pet? because he likes the reassurance of foggy being proud enough for others to know that he's his, and also because it makes sense considering how their relationship is changing.

Oh god yes. Foggy's locking Matt in to keep him safe, and even though it's a punishment too he's not going to leave him suffering like that. Probably not to crawl inside with Matt - it's a luxury cage, but that just means it's comfortable for Matt, long enough to lie down in and sit up in, not that there's really room for two of them inside. And yes, to Foggy still putting Matt back in the cage when Matt's worn out enough to be dropping off. Seeing him like that is probably the last straw that pushes him to find earplugs for Matt.

Yes, there's stories about what happens to bad little pets who end up as discards - since he was classed as a discard Matt's played up his poorer qualities because even being put down's better than belonging to most owners who'd buy a discard. Foggy's parents bought him sight-unseen, just looked over his training records and saw that he'd been a study aid before, which is something else Foggy could use. And yes, Foggy probably sort of falls for Matt pretty early on, and wants so badly to make his life better. I'm imagining Foggy taking Matt to buy his cage, and Matt going to the cages that are too small, or wire mesh on all sides, including the bottom, because that's what he's used to, and Foggy telling him no, and dragging him over to the nicer cages, with solid floors and just big enough for Matt to stretch out in. (And Matt thinks of it as a luxury model, maybe even admits that is costs more than he did, but it isn't, it's middle of the range.)

Oh yes, a big part of what has Matt so upset is that Foggy's not having him walk around naked to show him off, but because he's angry with him, and Matt already made it worse once by getting ink on his hands and not cleaning it off already. He's never heard of any free person being able to really respect a pet once they've seen it acting like one - and a pet being allowed to be a lawyer's odd already. Even with Matt registered as Foggy's study aid at university (which functionally got him a law degree in all but name) he'd expected to be Foggy's secretary at best, so when Foggy somehow swung getting both of them internships at L&Z - his owner is some sort of miracleworker.

And yes, of course Karen takes he responsibilities seriously. I feel like they might involve Matt a bit in working out how to accommodate the new situation, give him some input, if no control, and find out what makes him feel safe as Foggy's. And Matt can't quite believe how lucky he is to still have Karen's respect - and the first time he goes to take the lead on a case he sort of stutters to a halt when he realises what he's doing, only for Foggy to tell him to go ahead.

Oh yes, Matt definitely has to ask to wear his collar, and eventually he ends up only taking it off for court and daredeviling.

yeah you're right - foggy doesn't go inside, he just lets matt out and sits with him, telling him it's going to be okay. and matt still ends up back in the cage because foggy knows he can't just let matt out of being punished whenever matt gets upset, but the punishment should only be that matt sleeps in the cage - not that he's in mindless distress.

and ugh yes to matt playing up his poorer qualities. it takes him a while to realise that he actually genuinely likes foggy, because he's so busy trying to piss him off or manipulate him. but foggy's always just almost unbearably patient with matt: he rarely gets annoyed, or even disappointed, until it's been long enough for him to earn matt's trust because he knows it's unfair to expect too much of him right from the start. but of course now it's different - now foggy does sometimes get disappointed in/angry with matt, because they've been through so much together, and matt knows better now.

yeah, i love the idea of them going to buy the cage together. foggy honestly never intends to use it, but that doesn't mean he's going to get one that would be uncomfortable. when matt tells him, with some bitterness/shame, that the cage costs more than he did, foggy gives his elbow a squeeze - maybe says something about how they didn't know what they had, with matt. he's worth a hell of a lot more than a bunch of wire mesh.

hm. maybe one of the things the three of them discuss is whether its okay to bring punishments into the office? because humiliation is clearly a strong deterrent for matt...they'd never do anything when someone other than foggy/karen is there, of course, but perhaps matt finds himself over foggy's knee a few times in the future, or being told to stand quietly in the corner of his office. and yeah, he definitely feels lucky to have karen's respect, not realising that there's no way he ever could have lost it, and yes to him being hesitant about taking the lead again, only foggy foggy to be so casual about it, 'go for it, buddy. you definitely know what you're talking about better than i do.'

Oh yes - and honestly, even if the cage was big enough for Foggy to fit in as well I think it would just upset Matt for his owner to crawl inside with him. I mean he doesn't have any good memories of cages, but free men don't get into cages, and only a really bad pet, worse than a discard, has to be bodily hauled out of its cage. And no, Foggy knows better than to let Matt out of punishment just because he's upset, but he's not going to leave Matt driving himself mad with distress.

And yes to Matt trying to manipulate Foggy, and piss him off so determinedly that he doesn't realise how much he's growing to like his owner until later. I'm not sure which of them initiates sex the first time, Foggy because Matt knows it's not his place to do that, or Matt because Foggy isn't going to have sex with Matt until he trusts Foggy enough to offer himself. And yes to Foggy being so incredibly patient with Matt until he earns Matt's trust. I suspect that this Matt admitted to his vigilante activities pretty much as soon as they started, because he wouldn't have the option of hiding them the way canon Matt did. And yes to Foggy feeling that by now Matt should trust him and being disappointed and angry when he tries to hide things or breaks the rules Foggy's mostly put in place for Matt's own safety.

I'm not sure - like I said before, conventional slave psychology is that a cage is a pet's retreat, its sanctuary of sorts - so Foggy wants Matt involved in choosing it, in picking something he's comfortable with. He twigs that a cage won't feel safe for Matt when he sees that sort of cage Matt's expecting him to buy, but he legally has to have one to keep a pet. And so much yes to Foggy reassuring Matt about his value when he confesses that the cage cost more than he did (it came to somewhere in the region of $1000) Matt's worth more than a pile of steel.

Oooh yes. Foggy hadn't realised just how strong a deterrent it is until now, but they definitely discuss whether or not to bring punishments into the office. Matt knows that his input isn't required on that question, and just curls up against Foggy as he discusses the pros and cons with Karen. But so much yes to Matt finding himself over Foggy's knee or order to stand in the corner - nose pressed to the wall maybe? and of course they'd never do anything like that where clients could observe it - it would undermine Matt's authority with them way too much. But it doesn't affect Karen's respect for him at all, no. And of course it doesn't matter to Foggy when Matt takes the lead - it never has before, so why should it now.

I've got a scene in my head of later, where Matt's teamed up with Luke Cage, Danny Rand and Jessica Jones and there's a party that they could use to get information for their current case. Danny could swing an invitation for himself, since he's a billionaire, but he'd have to bring a pet with him - which he doesn't have. And Matt's all casually explaining that he could buy a discard and no-one would expect to see him with it again - they'd assume he'd killed it - but he can pick one from file with good reports on its domestic skills and convert it to a houseslave then free it in a couple of years if he doesn't want to take the time to rehabilitate it. Cue outrage. Then he checks that Danny was raised outside of America, and tells him that he could also bring a 'pet' wearing a heavy veil and covered from head to toe, and claim that he likes to keep his pets in seclusion - in which case he'd have to make a point of being very affectionate, and of comforting the 'poor frightened thing'. They'd understand a discard being all scarred up and badly behaved, and as long as a secluded pet looked affectionate and submissive enough no-one would question any slips of protocol. He ends up getting Danny's number, there's someone they can trust who he needs to talk about this with, but they can probably swing it, and explaining the situation to Foggy.

yeah, i can imagine foggy just unlocking it, maybe sitting back on his haunches, and either asking matt to come out or gently ordering, 'i'd like you come out of there now'. and maybe, suddenly, that makes matt panic - he doesn't want to be in there, but he doesn't like it when foggy thinks he can't accept his punishments properly, and he almost reverses the situation again: no i'm fine, i don't need to get out, i'm-- but foggy insists, because they're just going to end up going round in circles.

i think matt would try to initiate sex a few times at the beginning, as a type of manipulation? when he thinks he's going to be hurt/punished he tries to get out of it by offering sex, when he wants foggy to do something for him he offers sex, when he wants foggy distracted for whatever reason he offers sex. and it takes a long time for foggy to train matt out of it - to get him to actually voice how he's feeling/what he wants, and stop using sex as some kind of defensive strategy. so every time matt offers in those first few months (it might even take as long as a year?), foggy turns him down - which is so weird and frustrating to matt, because sex is so commonly expected of pets (even with his last master, when he was primarily a study aid, sex was still often demanded of him). and then one day matt initiates it for a completely different reason - because he wants to help foggy relax just because foggy deserves to relax...and if foggy's hesitant, matt then says that actually, foggy, i'd really like to have sex with you, if you'll let me, please. and foggy knows matt's being honest, and it's not like foggy hasn't been desperately wanting it, too.

hmm yes, maybe foggy thinks at first that matt would like a cage, because all the pets he's met have used them quite a lot. but then matt feels his way over to the cheapest range, and they look fucking horrible, and it's dawning on foggy how matt had been living before he'd been bought by foggy's parents. and so when they get home, he puts the cage away/in the spare room, thinking that they'll get matt adjusted to it in time, so he can call it a safe place - but before they can act on that, foggy finds out about daredevil, and just nopes out of the cage idea.

yeah, foggy's never been interested in trying to humiliate matt before. it's not something either of them gets off on, and it goes against foggy's mission to treat matt with respect. but foggy's also always found it hard to find out what kind of actions will get matt to listen to/obey him in extreme situations...and since visiting the doctor foggy realises that humiliating matt reminds him of his status in a way that'll stop him fucking up so bad. and yesss ugh, matt curling into foggy's side, foggy's arm going to loop around his shoulders as he discusses things with karen, knowing that he's not needed to contribute on this particular topic - probably fiddling with his sleeves, or the hem of foggy's jacket, and not even sure what he wants them to decide. and yeah oh god, the most standard punishment at the office probably becomes a bit of both - matt being spanked and then ordered to the corner, nose to the wall, to think about whatever it is he's done.

i like that idea! do the defenders know that matt is a pet? are you saying that matt would pretend to be danny's, and that's what he needs to talk to foggy about?

Oh yes, Matt panics a bit when Foggy calls him out of the cage, and Foggy has to make it a fairly stern command before he starts reassuring Matt, and comforting him. And Foggy probably recognises Matt's fear, tells him it's okay, he knows Matt isn't trying to get out of his punishment, but Foggy isn't going to let him hurt himself more than Foggy planned on.

Oh yes, with Matt offering sex as an appeasement tactic at first and Foggy turning him down - and confusing the hell out of Matt because he can hear how Foggy's heartbeat speeds up around him, smell his arousal when Matt comes close to him - until Matt tries to initiate sex because he wants it, even if he only wants it for Foggy's sake at first. And yes, sex is a requirement for all pets - it's the primary purpose they're bought for - the reason his last master failed all his classes was that he was more interested in fucking Matt than in letting Matt help him study.

Well, Foggy probably hasn't met many pets, but all of the pop culture references to them include cages and how comfortable pets are in them. But yeah, when Matt feels his way over to the horrible cheap cages Foggy feels his heart sink. (Roughly a third of discards still think of their cages as a sanctuary, while about one in fifteen of the more valued pets have the same sort of feeling about cages as Matt does.) Yeah, Foggy puts the cage out of sight, figuring that Matt won't need it as a safe space with him, and letting Matt know that if he wants them to work on adjusting his feeling about cages to something more conventional he can let Foggy know about it. But when Daredevil comes up Foggy bids goodbye to that idea.

And god no, Foggy finds the idea of humiliating Matt utterly abhorrent, but this is the first thing he's found that seems to ground him properly. Yeah, pretty much - Matt hides his face against Foggy as his owner discusses how to punish him with his handler - he doesn't know whether to consider himself lucky to hear what sort of punishments they're thinking about in advance, or to be ashamed that they're so certain they'll need to use them. And that definitely makes sense, a spanking, followed by making him stand in the corner, nose to the wall. If he's been particularly bad they make him keep a bell on a ribbon in place with his nose so they know if he's moved. What they did consult with him on was what things would make Matt feel loved as well as owned - hand feeding him mostly.

No, they've got no idea that Matt's a pet - that's why they're so outraged at Matt's apparent callous disregard for the discard he suggests Danny buy, when in fact it's a pet's pragmatism, and an effort to save one discard from being raped to death. And then they think he's suggesting Jessica or Luke go undercover as Danny's pet, not himself. "Uh no, not you Luke - you'd look like a bodyguard slave Danny was trying to pass off as a pet." And yes, that's what he needs to talk to Foggy about - Foggy approves of his association with the Defenders, but he's not going to pretend to belong to someone else without his owner's full knowledge and approval.

Foggy calls Danny and says that his pet asked his to talk to Danny. He demands that Danny book a table for two at a local semi-fancy restaurant, and tell them that your guest's bringing his pet. Then he passes the phone to Matt, and Matt hesitantly explains that yes he is a pet. Foggy won't let Matt pretend to be a discard but he'll lend Matt to him as a secluded pet if Danny can learn how to treat him right.

yeah, matt would definitely be confused - he's used to being able to tell when people want him, but completely thrown by people not acting on that desire. at first matt might feel like he's getting one up on foggy - if he doesn't want matt for sex then good - but then he starts feeling a bit lost. it's what pets are for, mostly, so what's the point of matt if he's being rejected at every turn?

matt's definitely embarrassed that karen and foggy seem to expect matt to fuck up and deserve punishment. maybe when he gets home he says to foggy, casual, testing the waters - it's not like i'll ever really need to be punished at work, though. and foggy knows what matt would like to hear - that no, it's just precautionary talk - but instead he just confirms what matt had been (half?) hoping wasn't true. him and karen are going to be taking this seriously, and there's no way matt isn't going to slip up sometimes with the amount of changes that are being made.

guh yes, to the extra of having the bell on a ribbon. i wonder what happens if matt does move... and yes to hand feeding. i imagine that foggy is in charge of the punishments (especially the physical aspects) but he and karen both pitch in with everything else, while they're at work. sometimes he'll sit in foggy's lap during their lunch break, and be hand fed, and he's started, occasionally, going through files whilst sitting on the floor by karen's chair, her fingers running through his hair. rarer still, he'll kneel for one/both of them, and they'll give him bites to eat or just let him rest his head against one of their thighs. gradually all of these things become more common occurrences.

yes that makes sense. matt's just being practical, and the others mistake it for cruelty. also, matt probably outright laughs when danny suggests luke or jessica. god, foggy would absolutely veto matt's suggestion of pretending to be a discard - trying to get him back out of that headspace would probably be an absolute nightmare. and telling danny that he's a pet wouldn't be easy for matt...i wonder how he'd actually feel, pretending to be a secluded pet for him, having danny treat him as if he's fragile/needs caring for. danny would probably be shocked to see this other side of matt, how it's not very hard for matt to slip into the role, and matt's up for it, because he knows how helpful going to the party will be, but he's got these two worlds colliding and he doesn't like it? and when he gets home he just grabs a beer and sits with foggy, and asks - am i crazy for doing this? thinking i can be a superhero when im a fucking pet. i'm nothing like danny/luke/jessica, not really. and he doesn't usually refer to his being a pet with so much bitterness, but honestly he gets jealous of free people? and foggy just sort of leans into matt and tries to convince him that he's the bravest man foggy's ever known, just as good as the other defenders (better, in foggy's opinion), and being a pet has no real impact on that. matt can be good at both.

Precisely - it doesn't do much for Matt's ego that Foggy's refusing to use him for a pet's real purpose. And at first it is a comfort, but then it starts to hurt - although it also pushes Matt to focus on other ways of serving Foggy, because he doesn't want to go back to waiting for disposal, or sale to someone who'd torture him to death for their own sick pleasure.

Yeah, Matt hesitantly brings up his hope that they're just covering all the bases, but Foggy sighs and stroked Matt's hair, telling him that it would be nice to think that, but I've been a bad owner, and now you're going to have to suffer for it. I wish I'd understood what you need earlier, but I didn't, and now I've given you too many bad habits to break without backsliding sometimes.

I'd think that if Matt moves it's just a case of the time starts again - or maybe goes up a bit before restarting if it's a second or third offence during the same punishment. And definitely Foggy's the one who hands out punishment, but the point of having Karen as a handler is to have someone else who can take care of Matt. Yes to Matt sitting in Foggy's lap for lunch, or sitting down beside Karen's chair to go through files. Sometimes when he's more comfortable being a pet he forgets where he is and crawls rather than stand to walk a short distance.

More than practical, Matt's trying to save one more life, and the others - they're wondering if Matt has a pet, not if he is one. He's sort of confused by how they could have missed his suggestion that Danny free whoever he bought as soon as he legally could (houseslaves are one of the few classes of slave that can be freed). Actually Luke's the one who thinks Matt's suggesting him - a race thing - Danny and Jessica assume he's referring to her, with Danny sputtering about him not being interested in Jessica that way, and Jessica asking if he seriously thinks she can play submissive. "Obviously not - and I guess you don't have that many scars either then."

Oh yes, there is no way whatsoever Foggy is going to let Matt pretend to be a discard; he's seen how badly Matt reacts to people thinking he's poorly trained, or undesirable. Matt's shaking by the end of the phone call, and Foggy kisses him and tells him how proud he is of him.

On the one hand secluded pets are considered the most desirable pets possible - why else would their owners be so paranoid about anyone else even seeing them - which is an ego boost for Matt, but on the other hand he's having to play at being helpless and utterly dependent on Danny. It's a bit of a headtrip for Danny, Foggy insists on a lot of training for Danny, including him taking them shopping for Matt's costumes - plural, because Matt needs to learn how to manage the veil and they're not sure what sort of clothes Matt should be wearing besides covering all of his skin. And then they have a lot of meals together, gradually moving from Foggy feeding Matt and Matt dancing attendance on Foggy to Danny acting the part of Matt's owner.

And god yes for Foggy having to reassure Matt that being a pet doesn't affect his ability to be a superhero, it doesn't make him weak or any less brave. Even assuming all of them had the ability to pass as a pet of one sort or another Matt would still be the best choice to act as Danny's back-up, what with his senses.

yeah...matt would just constantly be trying to juggle being good enough that foggy doesn't sell him, and difficult enough that he doesn't sink too deep - doesn't have admit to himself that someone else has so much control over him. every act of defiance feels like a win until, one day, it just doesn't anymore, because foggy's too fair, too kind. it wears matt out to keep trying to trip foggy up when foggy doesn't deserve it, and eventually matt just finds himself submitting and foggy sees it - the moment that matt gives over to him, gives foggy his trust, and it was so hard earned on foggy's part and so worth it.

ugh yes. foggy would take the blame on himself, and matt wouldn't know what to do with that - foggy's fault?? that matt screws up? and it soothes matt that foggy isn't holding him fully responsible, but it also makes him nervous - he wants to reassure foggy and say that he hasn't done anything wrong, he's the best owner imaginable, but he doesn't know how to do that without making it seem like he's just sticking up for himself? without saying that he doesn't have bad habits that need breaking. it doesn't help that at this point matt doesn't really know what those habits are - what have i been doing wrong this whole time?! and he's just so anxious about how different things are going to be, and part of him won't stop beating itself up for getting cocky and going out without permission the other night, because then they might not be in this situation. and foggy eventually catches on to how matt feels about that, and has to tell matt that it's not really about the other night - foggy would have realised eventually that matt needed bringing into line, even if matt hadn't been caught that night.

mmyes, once matt's standing there for almost an hour because he can't stop fidgeting, and maybe a couple of times foggy's made matt take his pants off for the spanking and not let him put them back on when he goes to stand against the wall, remembering how matt had reacted to being naked in the office before going to the clinic. and when his time's up he trails back to wherever foggy is sitting to apologise. yes to matt crawling - he's been doing it more lately because of the cage, crawling in and out, and sometimes on those occasions it feels grounding...a bridge between being locked up and being free. and foggy and karen encourage it when they can at the office - matt realises that he's more likely to get petted by one of them if he's on all fours, because he's at the same level as their hands as he passes by their desks.

yeah, the phone call is definitely emotionally draining for matt - honestly, he feels like he might panic...but yes, foggy kisses him, and says he's done so well, done the right thing.

so you're thinking some kinds of pets would be allowed to be freed and others not? is matt the kind that's illegal to set free? and i'm wondering whether there are any biological differences to matt, or whether it's just a case of being born a certain status...

i bet shopping takes a while, with matt's sensitive skin - there are so many clothes he won't go near, it's ridiculous. and yes, foggy's very insistent about training danny properly - no way is he going to put matt at risk by leaving him with an 'owner' who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. i wonder if, after some of the dinners, there'd be some aftercare, just in terms of foggy making sure matt knows that he's still foggy's, because pets going through rehabilitation have sessions like this - where they're being taught how to be good for a different owner before they're given away, and it puts matt on edge (especially as some of the people around them in the restaurant think that's what's happening - that foggy's getting matt ready to be sold to danny).

Oh yes, Matt's fighting a losing battle at first and he just can't see it. But Foggy can, and it feels so good to finally win Matt's hard earned trust.

The thing is, Foggy really is the one at fault to a large degree. He shouldn't have been so lenient with Matt, should have set more boundaries, that or he should have had Matt reclassified as a houseslave as soon as he got him, and guided him towards being fully free once he'd finished law school. The thing is as a houseslave Foggy couldn't take Matt to class with him, so Matt wouldn't have been able to pass the bar exam, and he wouldn't have many marketable skills compared to now. But when Foggy figures out that Matt's assuming his disobedience that night was the cause of the change, not just the trigger he does correct him, yes.

And ooh yes, he probably does end up standing in the corner for a long time on more than one occasion, and he does have to spend time bare from the waist down when he's being punished sometimes. Which is even more humiliating than being fulling naked. And he certainly gets more petting when he's on all fours.

Foggy's so proud of Matt for being able to tell his friend that he's a pet, and he doesn't say anything, but he watches Danny carefully for any indication that Matt's lost his respect. (He hasn't, in fact Danny looks more than a little guilty at the restaurant, remembering his assumptions about Matt and some of the things they'd said when he'd gone.)

There's different sorts of slaves - that rich brat who owned Matt, his father would have done better to buy him a tutor who'd be able to keep his nose to the grindstone, instead of a pet - some sorts of slaves can be freed, some can't, and pets are in the can't be freed class, because of how they're trained. A discard pet can be transferred to a different class of slave, since it's going to have to be retrained to have any value anyway.

Oh god yes. Danny eventually gets sick of it and hires someone to just make outfits for Matt from materials he can stand. And you're right, there's no way Foggy will let Danny be alone with Matt in pet mode until he proves that he can take care of him properly. I think Matt also ends up wearing a wig, and fake breasts, because a pet is referred to as 'it' for a reason, pets aren't consider to have a gender unless the owner picks it, and presenting Matt as bigender helps hide his identity.

And oh god yes - I hadn't thought about that, about how much it must resemble a hireling training a pet for a rich man who doesn't have the time/inclination to deal with it himself. Foggy spends a lot of time reassuring Matt, I think he even ends up marking Matt with his come before every dinner where Matt's attending to Danny.

yes i agree that the responsibility would be foggy's - he probably thought he could have everything; that he could be matt's best friend as well as his owner, and he can, but it's not as black and white as he thought when he first got matt. they went from matt behaving like a pet all the time (even if it was an untrained one) to him having so much freedom, and it was never going to work in the long run, if foggy was intending to keep matt as a pet. but i don't think matt would necessarily get that? to him, foggy's always seemed like a very good owner, and it throws him to consider that, all those times when foggy let matt's slip ups slide, he wasn't really living up to his responsibilities.

the thing about different kinds of slaves makes sense - i was wondering why foggy wouldn't have tried to find a way to free matt, but it makes sense if he was trying to get him through uni, and by that point matt was a pet who can't legally be freed.

ha yes to danny finally giving up and having matt's outfits tailored for him. and yes foggy would be so proud of matt, especially because matt gets into this headspace when he's daredevil where he feels like a free man, and it's that kind of thing that gets him into trouble - making him feel like he can go out while he's injured is just one example. so him admitting to someone who is so closely linked to daredevil that he's a pet is definitely something for foggy to be proud of him for. that's interesting about them deciding to present matt as bigender, too. i wonder if matt would be bothered or not..

and ugh yeah, matt obviously knows that's not what's really happening, but it doesn't stop the whispers at the restaurant, and matt can't help imagining...and yesss to foggy getting into the habit of marking matt before they leave to meet danny.

Oh yes, the responsibility really is Foggy's, and the idea that being so lenient and letting Matt get away with so much was Foggy failing Matt - it just doesn't compute to Matt. And yeah, they went from Matt having absolutely no freedom, to him having more freedom than he knew what to do with.

Even with his poor behaviour though, by the end of university, he'd be valued pretty highly if Foggy decided to have him assessed for sale - Matt's very much equivalent to a classic car that was bought cheap because it was rusting to pieces, and is now worth a fortune after being restored.

Yes, Foggy has the patience to find clothes that Matt can wear - although it does help that he's looking in the same shops he'd buy his own clothes in, where they're not being bothered by a salesman every five minutes - and Danny just doesn't. And yes, Foggy sees it as a huge step forward for Matt to be willing to admit his status to someone who only really knows him as Daredevil, even if he does hesitantly ask Danny not to let Luke or Jessica know - although he does shamefacedly admit to the others that Matt had been suggesting himself, just had to make sure his lover wouldn't be upset.

Luke and Jessica want to know why Danny's so busy with Matt and his friend and Danny explains that it's taking a lot of practise for them both to get used to their roles. Matt probably comments that that's one reason he thought buying a discard would have been easier - although maybe not since Danny's not exactly comfortable being controlling. I'm not sure whose idea presenting Matt as bigender is, but Matt's torn, on the one hand it's a layer of separation between him as Daredevil and Foggy's pet and the secluded pet Danny's bringing to this party with him, but on the other hand he's had owners disregard his gender identity before, telling him he was their girl etc.

Oh yes, Matt can hear the whispers, especially since he's presenting very differently towards the end of Danny's training than he is at the beginning. And then, on day he leaves on Danny's arm, not Foggy's, because Danny has to fly solo at some point, and just starts shaking as soon as there's no-one there to see him disgrace Foggy's training. Danny calls Foggy in a panic.

because i suck and i like imagining terrible things happening - i'm just thinking of a scene where foggy's at some fancy event, maybe to woo a client or something, and he goes off to talk to someone and matt ends up by himself for a few minutes. and the next thing he knows, there's some rich asshole looking him over, talking loudly about the kind of price matt would fetch.

and yeah, foggy's had a lot of time to practice being patient with matt, and he pretty much knows exactly the kinds of stuff matt likes to wear by now. and yes, matt wouldn't want anyone else besides danny to know, unless there was no way to get around telling them.

it'd be a lot for danny to take on if he bought a discard - even if he eventually freed them, it would take a while, and it makes more sense to use matt since matt knows what he's doing, and danny can trust him. mmyes, matt probably agrees mostly with the idea, but he doesn't like in general the way owners are allowed to pick their pet's gender identity, and it's clear (especially to foggy) that he's not exactly comfortable.

yes ugh, they probably get to the end of their first 'date' with just the two of them, and danny's thinking it's been a success, until he realises that matt's freaking out. and maybe foggy talks danny through how to help calm matt down while he's on the phone, or asks him to hand the phone over to matt so foggy can talk to him, until foggy can get to them in person.

Well, while they were at Landman and Zack Matt had to listen to a lot of people speculating on how much he was worth, and wondering how Foggy managed to afford him. And yes, I imagine that once Matt starts wearing his collar more often he gets a lot of people speculating on what sort of price he'd go for - as well as what sort of slave he is, since the collar by itself just says slave, not pet.

Oh yes to Foggy having experience being patient with Matt, and knowing what he's comfortable in. And definitely yes to Matt really not wanting more people to know of his status than absolutely have to.

After the party Luke and Jessica are waiting at Danny's place for a debrief, and Matt sort of freezes, until Danny tells them to let him and Matt change into something more comfortable first. The two of them pretty much cuddle on the couch as they debrief.

Yeah, and Matt doesn't really understand that - I mean yes Danny could easily outsource a lot of training for redesignating the discard as a houseslave, but he'd still have to be their owner. It definitely makes more sense to use Matt, and the debrief proves it, since he picked up a lot of stuff Danny had missed.

Yes, Matt mostly agrees with the disguise, but he's not comfortable in it, although he does manage to hide his discomfort for the party, and he really hates knowing that it's only by Foggy's kindness that he can present as his own gender.

Oh yes - what were you thinking would happen on their date? And Danny does think it's a success, ironically it's the fact that Danny's managing to play his part pretty well that's freaking Matt out more than anything, and the way Matt's freaking out, by pressing closer to Danny, clinging a bit harder to his arm looks like he's getting into character as a frightened secluded pet.

Foggy tells Danny to give Matt a fidget toy, to cuddle him and hold the phone near Matt's ear, then instructs Matt to breathe while Foggy gets to them. Once he gets there they work out that Danny agreeing to be one of Matt's handlers on an informal basis should be enough to keep Matt from having this sort of problem in the future.

mm..wearing the collar is good in some ways, because no one thinks foggy is ashamed of owning Matt, but then the amounts of comments Matt gets - people wondering whether Foggy's ever considered selling him or even renting him out, because they definitely wouldn't mind a go. Whether Foggy's ever thought about selling Matt to get an even better, younger model.

im not sure...do you think maybe they'd go straight into Matt pretending to be secluded on the first try, or would they ease into it, with Matt just pretending he's an ordinary pet that belongs to Danny? Maybe he has to kneel at Danny's feet, because that's the most common position for pets who are in public with their owners. He's probably hand fed, and yes to Danny playing the part well - matt just feels owned, and it's weird because it's not foggy - and he doesn't have foggy there to remind him that none of it's real. And yeah Matt freaking out would definitely = clinging to Danny, because touch is grounding, and also because Matt tends to overcompensate when he's scared...he's trying to play his part almost too well...

Yes to Matt being given the fidget toy and foggy trying to help him regulate his breathing. And yeah I think Danny becoming one of matt's handlers would go quite a way in solving the problem.

Yes, wearing the collar's a double edged sword really, it makes Matt feel owned, reminds him that his behaviour reflects on Foggy, but at the same time it opens him up to all these comments and speculation. The tone's a bit different depending on if people see them socially and assume Matt's a highly valued pet, or if they see them in a professional context and assume he's primarily a working slave. If they assume Matt's a pet, you're right about the tenor or the comments, whereas if they assume Matt's a working slave they know there's no way Foggy would sell him, not after the investment in his training, and they speculate on whether Foggy allows him to sleep with anyone or takes him to bed himself.

Well, the only difference in behaviour between what's expected of a secluded pet and an ordinary pet is that a secluded pet isn't supposed to let anyone see past its veil - it's the clothes that are the real clue. And all of the outfits Danny had made for Matt are secluded pet outfits. Matt knows the protocols, he can follow them, it's stuff like managing a veil, and the hobble that they agreed on, to make sure he didn't move even remotely like he does in any other circumstances, that he really needs practice with. And yes, he's freaking out because it feels too real, like Danny's trying to place a claim on him, and even though he knows that he isn't, can still smell Foggy on himself, it's just too much, so he clings and tries desperately to prove that he can play his part properly, so that they won't have to do this again until the party.

Yes, making Danny one of Matt's handlers slots him into a role that's firmly subordinate to Foggy, making the authority Danny's exercising over him an extension of his real owner's. And it also helps that Foggy ends up calming Danny down as well, when he gets that, Matt sort of sees it as Danny feeling he'd overstepped the mark, and realised he wasn't up to keeping Matt.

And Danny really doesn't like playing the owner's role, he can do it, but he hates it and it takes a lot more effort from him than he realised it would. At the debrief Danny's cuddling Matt for his own comfort, as well as to reassure him - any owner who didn't recognise them would assume that they were a pair of pets waiting for their owner(s).

I think that after the debrief, the next time Danny's alone with Matt he checks if Matt thinks he's still going to need Danny to look out for him as a handler, or if that was just for that undercover role. Matt doesn't think so, but he needs to refer it back to Foggy.

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