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Oh god yes. Foggy's locking Matt in to keep him safe, and even though it's a punishment too he's not going to leave him suffering like that. Probably not to crawl inside with Matt - it's a luxury cage, but that just means it's comfortable for Matt, long enough to lie down in and sit up in, not that there's really room for two of them inside. And yes, to Foggy still putting Matt back in the cage when Matt's worn out enough to be dropping off. Seeing him like that is probably the last straw that pushes him to find earplugs for Matt.

Yes, there's stories about what happens to bad little pets who end up as discards - since he was classed as a discard Matt's played up his poorer qualities because even being put down's better than belonging to most owners who'd buy a discard. Foggy's parents bought him sight-unseen, just looked over his training records and saw that he'd been a study aid before, which is something else Foggy could use. And yes, Foggy probably sort of falls for Matt pretty early on, and wants so badly to make his life better. I'm imagining Foggy taking Matt to buy his cage, and Matt going to the cages that are too small, or wire mesh on all sides, including the bottom, because that's what he's used to, and Foggy telling him no, and dragging him over to the nicer cages, with solid floors and just big enough for Matt to stretch out in. (And Matt thinks of it as a luxury model, maybe even admits that is costs more than he did, but it isn't, it's middle of the range.)

Oh yes, a big part of what has Matt so upset is that Foggy's not having him walk around naked to show him off, but because he's angry with him, and Matt already made it worse once by getting ink on his hands and not cleaning it off already. He's never heard of any free person being able to really respect a pet once they've seen it acting like one - and a pet being allowed to be a lawyer's odd already. Even with Matt registered as Foggy's study aid at university (which functionally got him a law degree in all but name) he'd expected to be Foggy's secretary at best, so when Foggy somehow swung getting both of them internships at L&Z - his owner is some sort of miracleworker.

And yes, of course Karen takes he responsibilities seriously. I feel like they might involve Matt a bit in working out how to accommodate the new situation, give him some input, if no control, and find out what makes him feel safe as Foggy's. And Matt can't quite believe how lucky he is to still have Karen's respect - and the first time he goes to take the lead on a case he sort of stutters to a halt when he realises what he's doing, only for Foggy to tell him to go ahead.

Oh yes, Matt definitely has to ask to wear his collar, and eventually he ends up only taking it off for court and daredeviling.

yeah you're right - foggy doesn't go inside, he just lets matt out and sits with him, telling him it's going to be okay. and matt still ends up back in the cage because foggy knows he can't just let matt out of being punished whenever matt gets upset, but the punishment should only be that matt sleeps in the cage - not that he's in mindless distress.

and ugh yes to matt playing up his poorer qualities. it takes him a while to realise that he actually genuinely likes foggy, because he's so busy trying to piss him off or manipulate him. but foggy's always just almost unbearably patient with matt: he rarely gets annoyed, or even disappointed, until it's been long enough for him to earn matt's trust because he knows it's unfair to expect too much of him right from the start. but of course now it's different - now foggy does sometimes get disappointed in/angry with matt, because they've been through so much together, and matt knows better now.

yeah, i love the idea of them going to buy the cage together. foggy honestly never intends to use it, but that doesn't mean he's going to get one that would be uncomfortable. when matt tells him, with some bitterness/shame, that the cage costs more than he did, foggy gives his elbow a squeeze - maybe says something about how they didn't know what they had, with matt. he's worth a hell of a lot more than a bunch of wire mesh.

hm. maybe one of the things the three of them discuss is whether its okay to bring punishments into the office? because humiliation is clearly a strong deterrent for matt...they'd never do anything when someone other than foggy/karen is there, of course, but perhaps matt finds himself over foggy's knee a few times in the future, or being told to stand quietly in the corner of his office. and yeah, he definitely feels lucky to have karen's respect, not realising that there's no way he ever could have lost it, and yes to him being hesitant about taking the lead again, only foggy foggy to be so casual about it, 'go for it, buddy. you definitely know what you're talking about better than i do.'

Oh yes - and honestly, even if the cage was big enough for Foggy to fit in as well I think it would just upset Matt for his owner to crawl inside with him. I mean he doesn't have any good memories of cages, but free men don't get into cages, and only a really bad pet, worse than a discard, has to be bodily hauled out of its cage. And no, Foggy knows better than to let Matt out of punishment just because he's upset, but he's not going to leave Matt driving himself mad with distress.

And yes to Matt trying to manipulate Foggy, and piss him off so determinedly that he doesn't realise how much he's growing to like his owner until later. I'm not sure which of them initiates sex the first time, Foggy because Matt knows it's not his place to do that, or Matt because Foggy isn't going to have sex with Matt until he trusts Foggy enough to offer himself. And yes to Foggy being so incredibly patient with Matt until he earns Matt's trust. I suspect that this Matt admitted to his vigilante activities pretty much as soon as they started, because he wouldn't have the option of hiding them the way canon Matt did. And yes to Foggy feeling that by now Matt should trust him and being disappointed and angry when he tries to hide things or breaks the rules Foggy's mostly put in place for Matt's own safety.

I'm not sure - like I said before, conventional slave psychology is that a cage is a pet's retreat, its sanctuary of sorts - so Foggy wants Matt involved in choosing it, in picking something he's comfortable with. He twigs that a cage won't feel safe for Matt when he sees that sort of cage Matt's expecting him to buy, but he legally has to have one to keep a pet. And so much yes to Foggy reassuring Matt about his value when he confesses that the cage cost more than he did (it came to somewhere in the region of $1000) Matt's worth more than a pile of steel.

Oooh yes. Foggy hadn't realised just how strong a deterrent it is until now, but they definitely discuss whether or not to bring punishments into the office. Matt knows that his input isn't required on that question, and just curls up against Foggy as he discusses the pros and cons with Karen. But so much yes to Matt finding himself over Foggy's knee or order to stand in the corner - nose pressed to the wall maybe? and of course they'd never do anything like that where clients could observe it - it would undermine Matt's authority with them way too much. But it doesn't affect Karen's respect for him at all, no. And of course it doesn't matter to Foggy when Matt takes the lead - it never has before, so why should it now.

I've got a scene in my head of later, where Matt's teamed up with Luke Cage, Danny Rand and Jessica Jones and there's a party that they could use to get information for their current case. Danny could swing an invitation for himself, since he's a billionaire, but he'd have to bring a pet with him - which he doesn't have. And Matt's all casually explaining that he could buy a discard and no-one would expect to see him with it again - they'd assume he'd killed it - but he can pick one from file with good reports on its domestic skills and convert it to a houseslave then free it in a couple of years if he doesn't want to take the time to rehabilitate it. Cue outrage. Then he checks that Danny was raised outside of America, and tells him that he could also bring a 'pet' wearing a heavy veil and covered from head to toe, and claim that he likes to keep his pets in seclusion - in which case he'd have to make a point of being very affectionate, and of comforting the 'poor frightened thing'. They'd understand a discard being all scarred up and badly behaved, and as long as a secluded pet looked affectionate and submissive enough no-one would question any slips of protocol. He ends up getting Danny's number, there's someone they can trust who he needs to talk about this with, but they can probably swing it, and explaining the situation to Foggy.

yeah, i can imagine foggy just unlocking it, maybe sitting back on his haunches, and either asking matt to come out or gently ordering, 'i'd like you come out of there now'. and maybe, suddenly, that makes matt panic - he doesn't want to be in there, but he doesn't like it when foggy thinks he can't accept his punishments properly, and he almost reverses the situation again: no i'm fine, i don't need to get out, i'm-- but foggy insists, because they're just going to end up going round in circles.

i think matt would try to initiate sex a few times at the beginning, as a type of manipulation? when he thinks he's going to be hurt/punished he tries to get out of it by offering sex, when he wants foggy to do something for him he offers sex, when he wants foggy distracted for whatever reason he offers sex. and it takes a long time for foggy to train matt out of it - to get him to actually voice how he's feeling/what he wants, and stop using sex as some kind of defensive strategy. so every time matt offers in those first few months (it might even take as long as a year?), foggy turns him down - which is so weird and frustrating to matt, because sex is so commonly expected of pets (even with his last master, when he was primarily a study aid, sex was still often demanded of him). and then one day matt initiates it for a completely different reason - because he wants to help foggy relax just because foggy deserves to relax...and if foggy's hesitant, matt then says that actually, foggy, i'd really like to have sex with you, if you'll let me, please. and foggy knows matt's being honest, and it's not like foggy hasn't been desperately wanting it, too.

hmm yes, maybe foggy thinks at first that matt would like a cage, because all the pets he's met have used them quite a lot. but then matt feels his way over to the cheapest range, and they look fucking horrible, and it's dawning on foggy how matt had been living before he'd been bought by foggy's parents. and so when they get home, he puts the cage away/in the spare room, thinking that they'll get matt adjusted to it in time, so he can call it a safe place - but before they can act on that, foggy finds out about daredevil, and just nopes out of the cage idea.

yeah, foggy's never been interested in trying to humiliate matt before. it's not something either of them gets off on, and it goes against foggy's mission to treat matt with respect. but foggy's also always found it hard to find out what kind of actions will get matt to listen to/obey him in extreme situations...and since visiting the doctor foggy realises that humiliating matt reminds him of his status in a way that'll stop him fucking up so bad. and yesss ugh, matt curling into foggy's side, foggy's arm going to loop around his shoulders as he discusses things with karen, knowing that he's not needed to contribute on this particular topic - probably fiddling with his sleeves, or the hem of foggy's jacket, and not even sure what he wants them to decide. and yeah oh god, the most standard punishment at the office probably becomes a bit of both - matt being spanked and then ordered to the corner, nose to the wall, to think about whatever it is he's done.

i like that idea! do the defenders know that matt is a pet? are you saying that matt would pretend to be danny's, and that's what he needs to talk to foggy about?

Oh yes, Matt panics a bit when Foggy calls him out of the cage, and Foggy has to make it a fairly stern command before he starts reassuring Matt, and comforting him. And Foggy probably recognises Matt's fear, tells him it's okay, he knows Matt isn't trying to get out of his punishment, but Foggy isn't going to let him hurt himself more than Foggy planned on.

Oh yes, with Matt offering sex as an appeasement tactic at first and Foggy turning him down - and confusing the hell out of Matt because he can hear how Foggy's heartbeat speeds up around him, smell his arousal when Matt comes close to him - until Matt tries to initiate sex because he wants it, even if he only wants it for Foggy's sake at first. And yes, sex is a requirement for all pets - it's the primary purpose they're bought for - the reason his last master failed all his classes was that he was more interested in fucking Matt than in letting Matt help him study.

Well, Foggy probably hasn't met many pets, but all of the pop culture references to them include cages and how comfortable pets are in them. But yeah, when Matt feels his way over to the horrible cheap cages Foggy feels his heart sink. (Roughly a third of discards still think of their cages as a sanctuary, while about one in fifteen of the more valued pets have the same sort of feeling about cages as Matt does.) Yeah, Foggy puts the cage out of sight, figuring that Matt won't need it as a safe space with him, and letting Matt know that if he wants them to work on adjusting his feeling about cages to something more conventional he can let Foggy know about it. But when Daredevil comes up Foggy bids goodbye to that idea.

And god no, Foggy finds the idea of humiliating Matt utterly abhorrent, but this is the first thing he's found that seems to ground him properly. Yeah, pretty much - Matt hides his face against Foggy as his owner discusses how to punish him with his handler - he doesn't know whether to consider himself lucky to hear what sort of punishments they're thinking about in advance, or to be ashamed that they're so certain they'll need to use them. And that definitely makes sense, a spanking, followed by making him stand in the corner, nose to the wall. If he's been particularly bad they make him keep a bell on a ribbon in place with his nose so they know if he's moved. What they did consult with him on was what things would make Matt feel loved as well as owned - hand feeding him mostly.

No, they've got no idea that Matt's a pet - that's why they're so outraged at Matt's apparent callous disregard for the discard he suggests Danny buy, when in fact it's a pet's pragmatism, and an effort to save one discard from being raped to death. And then they think he's suggesting Jessica or Luke go undercover as Danny's pet, not himself. "Uh no, not you Luke - you'd look like a bodyguard slave Danny was trying to pass off as a pet." And yes, that's what he needs to talk to Foggy about - Foggy approves of his association with the Defenders, but he's not going to pretend to belong to someone else without his owner's full knowledge and approval.

Foggy calls Danny and says that his pet asked his to talk to Danny. He demands that Danny book a table for two at a local semi-fancy restaurant, and tell them that your guest's bringing his pet. Then he passes the phone to Matt, and Matt hesitantly explains that yes he is a pet. Foggy won't let Matt pretend to be a discard but he'll lend Matt to him as a secluded pet if Danny can learn how to treat him right.

yeah, matt would definitely be confused - he's used to being able to tell when people want him, but completely thrown by people not acting on that desire. at first matt might feel like he's getting one up on foggy - if he doesn't want matt for sex then good - but then he starts feeling a bit lost. it's what pets are for, mostly, so what's the point of matt if he's being rejected at every turn?

matt's definitely embarrassed that karen and foggy seem to expect matt to fuck up and deserve punishment. maybe when he gets home he says to foggy, casual, testing the waters - it's not like i'll ever really need to be punished at work, though. and foggy knows what matt would like to hear - that no, it's just precautionary talk - but instead he just confirms what matt had been (half?) hoping wasn't true. him and karen are going to be taking this seriously, and there's no way matt isn't going to slip up sometimes with the amount of changes that are being made.

guh yes, to the extra of having the bell on a ribbon. i wonder what happens if matt does move... and yes to hand feeding. i imagine that foggy is in charge of the punishments (especially the physical aspects) but he and karen both pitch in with everything else, while they're at work. sometimes he'll sit in foggy's lap during their lunch break, and be hand fed, and he's started, occasionally, going through files whilst sitting on the floor by karen's chair, her fingers running through his hair. rarer still, he'll kneel for one/both of them, and they'll give him bites to eat or just let him rest his head against one of their thighs. gradually all of these things become more common occurrences.

yes that makes sense. matt's just being practical, and the others mistake it for cruelty. also, matt probably outright laughs when danny suggests luke or jessica. god, foggy would absolutely veto matt's suggestion of pretending to be a discard - trying to get him back out of that headspace would probably be an absolute nightmare. and telling danny that he's a pet wouldn't be easy for matt...i wonder how he'd actually feel, pretending to be a secluded pet for him, having danny treat him as if he's fragile/needs caring for. danny would probably be shocked to see this other side of matt, how it's not very hard for matt to slip into the role, and matt's up for it, because he knows how helpful going to the party will be, but he's got these two worlds colliding and he doesn't like it? and when he gets home he just grabs a beer and sits with foggy, and asks - am i crazy for doing this? thinking i can be a superhero when im a fucking pet. i'm nothing like danny/luke/jessica, not really. and he doesn't usually refer to his being a pet with so much bitterness, but honestly he gets jealous of free people? and foggy just sort of leans into matt and tries to convince him that he's the bravest man foggy's ever known, just as good as the other defenders (better, in foggy's opinion), and being a pet has no real impact on that. matt can be good at both.

Precisely - it doesn't do much for Matt's ego that Foggy's refusing to use him for a pet's real purpose. And at first it is a comfort, but then it starts to hurt - although it also pushes Matt to focus on other ways of serving Foggy, because he doesn't want to go back to waiting for disposal, or sale to someone who'd torture him to death for their own sick pleasure.

Yeah, Matt hesitantly brings up his hope that they're just covering all the bases, but Foggy sighs and stroked Matt's hair, telling him that it would be nice to think that, but I've been a bad owner, and now you're going to have to suffer for it. I wish I'd understood what you need earlier, but I didn't, and now I've given you too many bad habits to break without backsliding sometimes.

I'd think that if Matt moves it's just a case of the time starts again - or maybe goes up a bit before restarting if it's a second or third offence during the same punishment. And definitely Foggy's the one who hands out punishment, but the point of having Karen as a handler is to have someone else who can take care of Matt. Yes to Matt sitting in Foggy's lap for lunch, or sitting down beside Karen's chair to go through files. Sometimes when he's more comfortable being a pet he forgets where he is and crawls rather than stand to walk a short distance.

More than practical, Matt's trying to save one more life, and the others - they're wondering if Matt has a pet, not if he is one. He's sort of confused by how they could have missed his suggestion that Danny free whoever he bought as soon as he legally could (houseslaves are one of the few classes of slave that can be freed). Actually Luke's the one who thinks Matt's suggesting him - a race thing - Danny and Jessica assume he's referring to her, with Danny sputtering about him not being interested in Jessica that way, and Jessica asking if he seriously thinks she can play submissive. "Obviously not - and I guess you don't have that many scars either then."

Oh yes, there is no way whatsoever Foggy is going to let Matt pretend to be a discard; he's seen how badly Matt reacts to people thinking he's poorly trained, or undesirable. Matt's shaking by the end of the phone call, and Foggy kisses him and tells him how proud he is of him.

On the one hand secluded pets are considered the most desirable pets possible - why else would their owners be so paranoid about anyone else even seeing them - which is an ego boost for Matt, but on the other hand he's having to play at being helpless and utterly dependent on Danny. It's a bit of a headtrip for Danny, Foggy insists on a lot of training for Danny, including him taking them shopping for Matt's costumes - plural, because Matt needs to learn how to manage the veil and they're not sure what sort of clothes Matt should be wearing besides covering all of his skin. And then they have a lot of meals together, gradually moving from Foggy feeding Matt and Matt dancing attendance on Foggy to Danny acting the part of Matt's owner.

And god yes for Foggy having to reassure Matt that being a pet doesn't affect his ability to be a superhero, it doesn't make him weak or any less brave. Even assuming all of them had the ability to pass as a pet of one sort or another Matt would still be the best choice to act as Danny's back-up, what with his senses.

yeah...matt would just constantly be trying to juggle being good enough that foggy doesn't sell him, and difficult enough that he doesn't sink too deep - doesn't have admit to himself that someone else has so much control over him. every act of defiance feels like a win until, one day, it just doesn't anymore, because foggy's too fair, too kind. it wears matt out to keep trying to trip foggy up when foggy doesn't deserve it, and eventually matt just finds himself submitting and foggy sees it - the moment that matt gives over to him, gives foggy his trust, and it was so hard earned on foggy's part and so worth it.

ugh yes. foggy would take the blame on himself, and matt wouldn't know what to do with that - foggy's fault?? that matt screws up? and it soothes matt that foggy isn't holding him fully responsible, but it also makes him nervous - he wants to reassure foggy and say that he hasn't done anything wrong, he's the best owner imaginable, but he doesn't know how to do that without making it seem like he's just sticking up for himself? without saying that he doesn't have bad habits that need breaking. it doesn't help that at this point matt doesn't really know what those habits are - what have i been doing wrong this whole time?! and he's just so anxious about how different things are going to be, and part of him won't stop beating itself up for getting cocky and going out without permission the other night, because then they might not be in this situation. and foggy eventually catches on to how matt feels about that, and has to tell matt that it's not really about the other night - foggy would have realised eventually that matt needed bringing into line, even if matt hadn't been caught that night.

mmyes, once matt's standing there for almost an hour because he can't stop fidgeting, and maybe a couple of times foggy's made matt take his pants off for the spanking and not let him put them back on when he goes to stand against the wall, remembering how matt had reacted to being naked in the office before going to the clinic. and when his time's up he trails back to wherever foggy is sitting to apologise. yes to matt crawling - he's been doing it more lately because of the cage, crawling in and out, and sometimes on those occasions it feels grounding...a bridge between being locked up and being free. and foggy and karen encourage it when they can at the office - matt realises that he's more likely to get petted by one of them if he's on all fours, because he's at the same level as their hands as he passes by their desks.

yeah, the phone call is definitely emotionally draining for matt - honestly, he feels like he might panic...but yes, foggy kisses him, and says he's done so well, done the right thing.

so you're thinking some kinds of pets would be allowed to be freed and others not? is matt the kind that's illegal to set free? and i'm wondering whether there are any biological differences to matt, or whether it's just a case of being born a certain status...

i bet shopping takes a while, with matt's sensitive skin - there are so many clothes he won't go near, it's ridiculous. and yes, foggy's very insistent about training danny properly - no way is he going to put matt at risk by leaving him with an 'owner' who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. i wonder if, after some of the dinners, there'd be some aftercare, just in terms of foggy making sure matt knows that he's still foggy's, because pets going through rehabilitation have sessions like this - where they're being taught how to be good for a different owner before they're given away, and it puts matt on edge (especially as some of the people around them in the restaurant think that's what's happening - that foggy's getting matt ready to be sold to danny).

Oh yes, Matt's fighting a losing battle at first and he just can't see it. But Foggy can, and it feels so good to finally win Matt's hard earned trust.

The thing is, Foggy really is the one at fault to a large degree. He shouldn't have been so lenient with Matt, should have set more boundaries, that or he should have had Matt reclassified as a houseslave as soon as he got him, and guided him towards being fully free once he'd finished law school. The thing is as a houseslave Foggy couldn't take Matt to class with him, so Matt wouldn't have been able to pass the bar exam, and he wouldn't have many marketable skills compared to now. But when Foggy figures out that Matt's assuming his disobedience that night was the cause of the change, not just the trigger he does correct him, yes.

And ooh yes, he probably does end up standing in the corner for a long time on more than one occasion, and he does have to spend time bare from the waist down when he's being punished sometimes. Which is even more humiliating than being fulling naked. And he certainly gets more petting when he's on all fours.

Foggy's so proud of Matt for being able to tell his friend that he's a pet, and he doesn't say anything, but he watches Danny carefully for any indication that Matt's lost his respect. (He hasn't, in fact Danny looks more than a little guilty at the restaurant, remembering his assumptions about Matt and some of the things they'd said when he'd gone.)

There's different sorts of slaves - that rich brat who owned Matt, his father would have done better to buy him a tutor who'd be able to keep his nose to the grindstone, instead of a pet - some sorts of slaves can be freed, some can't, and pets are in the can't be freed class, because of how they're trained. A discard pet can be transferred to a different class of slave, since it's going to have to be retrained to have any value anyway.

Oh god yes. Danny eventually gets sick of it and hires someone to just make outfits for Matt from materials he can stand. And you're right, there's no way Foggy will let Danny be alone with Matt in pet mode until he proves that he can take care of him properly. I think Matt also ends up wearing a wig, and fake breasts, because a pet is referred to as 'it' for a reason, pets aren't consider to have a gender unless the owner picks it, and presenting Matt as bigender helps hide his identity.

And oh god yes - I hadn't thought about that, about how much it must resemble a hireling training a pet for a rich man who doesn't have the time/inclination to deal with it himself. Foggy spends a lot of time reassuring Matt, I think he even ends up marking Matt with his come before every dinner where Matt's attending to Danny.

yes i agree that the responsibility would be foggy's - he probably thought he could have everything; that he could be matt's best friend as well as his owner, and he can, but it's not as black and white as he thought when he first got matt. they went from matt behaving like a pet all the time (even if it was an untrained one) to him having so much freedom, and it was never going to work in the long run, if foggy was intending to keep matt as a pet. but i don't think matt would necessarily get that? to him, foggy's always seemed like a very good owner, and it throws him to consider that, all those times when foggy let matt's slip ups slide, he wasn't really living up to his responsibilities.

the thing about different kinds of slaves makes sense - i was wondering why foggy wouldn't have tried to find a way to free matt, but it makes sense if he was trying to get him through uni, and by that point matt was a pet who can't legally be freed.

ha yes to danny finally giving up and having matt's outfits tailored for him. and yes foggy would be so proud of matt, especially because matt gets into this headspace when he's daredevil where he feels like a free man, and it's that kind of thing that gets him into trouble - making him feel like he can go out while he's injured is just one example. so him admitting to someone who is so closely linked to daredevil that he's a pet is definitely something for foggy to be proud of him for. that's interesting about them deciding to present matt as bigender, too. i wonder if matt would be bothered or not..

and ugh yeah, matt obviously knows that's not what's really happening, but it doesn't stop the whispers at the restaurant, and matt can't help imagining...and yesss to foggy getting into the habit of marking matt before they leave to meet danny.

Oh yes, the responsibility really is Foggy's, and the idea that being so lenient and letting Matt get away with so much was Foggy failing Matt - it just doesn't compute to Matt. And yeah, they went from Matt having absolutely no freedom, to him having more freedom than he knew what to do with.

Even with his poor behaviour though, by the end of university, he'd be valued pretty highly if Foggy decided to have him assessed for sale - Matt's very much equivalent to a classic car that was bought cheap because it was rusting to pieces, and is now worth a fortune after being restored.

Yes, Foggy has the patience to find clothes that Matt can wear - although it does help that he's looking in the same shops he'd buy his own clothes in, where they're not being bothered by a salesman every five minutes - and Danny just doesn't. And yes, Foggy sees it as a huge step forward for Matt to be willing to admit his status to someone who only really knows him as Daredevil, even if he does hesitantly ask Danny not to let Luke or Jessica know - although he does shamefacedly admit to the others that Matt had been suggesting himself, just had to make sure his lover wouldn't be upset.

Luke and Jessica want to know why Danny's so busy with Matt and his friend and Danny explains that it's taking a lot of practise for them both to get used to their roles. Matt probably comments that that's one reason he thought buying a discard would have been easier - although maybe not since Danny's not exactly comfortable being controlling. I'm not sure whose idea presenting Matt as bigender is, but Matt's torn, on the one hand it's a layer of separation between him as Daredevil and Foggy's pet and the secluded pet Danny's bringing to this party with him, but on the other hand he's had owners disregard his gender identity before, telling him he was their girl etc.

Oh yes, Matt can hear the whispers, especially since he's presenting very differently towards the end of Danny's training than he is at the beginning. And then, on day he leaves on Danny's arm, not Foggy's, because Danny has to fly solo at some point, and just starts shaking as soon as there's no-one there to see him disgrace Foggy's training. Danny calls Foggy in a panic.

because i suck and i like imagining terrible things happening - i'm just thinking of a scene where foggy's at some fancy event, maybe to woo a client or something, and he goes off to talk to someone and matt ends up by himself for a few minutes. and the next thing he knows, there's some rich asshole looking him over, talking loudly about the kind of price matt would fetch.

and yeah, foggy's had a lot of time to practice being patient with matt, and he pretty much knows exactly the kinds of stuff matt likes to wear by now. and yes, matt wouldn't want anyone else besides danny to know, unless there was no way to get around telling them.

it'd be a lot for danny to take on if he bought a discard - even if he eventually freed them, it would take a while, and it makes more sense to use matt since matt knows what he's doing, and danny can trust him. mmyes, matt probably agrees mostly with the idea, but he doesn't like in general the way owners are allowed to pick their pet's gender identity, and it's clear (especially to foggy) that he's not exactly comfortable.

yes ugh, they probably get to the end of their first 'date' with just the two of them, and danny's thinking it's been a success, until he realises that matt's freaking out. and maybe foggy talks danny through how to help calm matt down while he's on the phone, or asks him to hand the phone over to matt so foggy can talk to him, until foggy can get to them in person.

Well, while they were at Landman and Zack Matt had to listen to a lot of people speculating on how much he was worth, and wondering how Foggy managed to afford him. And yes, I imagine that once Matt starts wearing his collar more often he gets a lot of people speculating on what sort of price he'd go for - as well as what sort of slave he is, since the collar by itself just says slave, not pet.

Oh yes to Foggy having experience being patient with Matt, and knowing what he's comfortable in. And definitely yes to Matt really not wanting more people to know of his status than absolutely have to.

After the party Luke and Jessica are waiting at Danny's place for a debrief, and Matt sort of freezes, until Danny tells them to let him and Matt change into something more comfortable first. The two of them pretty much cuddle on the couch as they debrief.

Yeah, and Matt doesn't really understand that - I mean yes Danny could easily outsource a lot of training for redesignating the discard as a houseslave, but he'd still have to be their owner. It definitely makes more sense to use Matt, and the debrief proves it, since he picked up a lot of stuff Danny had missed.

Yes, Matt mostly agrees with the disguise, but he's not comfortable in it, although he does manage to hide his discomfort for the party, and he really hates knowing that it's only by Foggy's kindness that he can present as his own gender.

Oh yes - what were you thinking would happen on their date? And Danny does think it's a success, ironically it's the fact that Danny's managing to play his part pretty well that's freaking Matt out more than anything, and the way Matt's freaking out, by pressing closer to Danny, clinging a bit harder to his arm looks like he's getting into character as a frightened secluded pet.

Foggy tells Danny to give Matt a fidget toy, to cuddle him and hold the phone near Matt's ear, then instructs Matt to breathe while Foggy gets to them. Once he gets there they work out that Danny agreeing to be one of Matt's handlers on an informal basis should be enough to keep Matt from having this sort of problem in the future.

mm..wearing the collar is good in some ways, because no one thinks foggy is ashamed of owning Matt, but then the amounts of comments Matt gets - people wondering whether Foggy's ever considered selling him or even renting him out, because they definitely wouldn't mind a go. Whether Foggy's ever thought about selling Matt to get an even better, younger model.

im not sure...do you think maybe they'd go straight into Matt pretending to be secluded on the first try, or would they ease into it, with Matt just pretending he's an ordinary pet that belongs to Danny? Maybe he has to kneel at Danny's feet, because that's the most common position for pets who are in public with their owners. He's probably hand fed, and yes to Danny playing the part well - matt just feels owned, and it's weird because it's not foggy - and he doesn't have foggy there to remind him that none of it's real. And yeah Matt freaking out would definitely = clinging to Danny, because touch is grounding, and also because Matt tends to overcompensate when he's scared...he's trying to play his part almost too well...

Yes to Matt being given the fidget toy and foggy trying to help him regulate his breathing. And yeah I think Danny becoming one of matt's handlers would go quite a way in solving the problem.

Yes, wearing the collar's a double edged sword really, it makes Matt feel owned, reminds him that his behaviour reflects on Foggy, but at the same time it opens him up to all these comments and speculation. The tone's a bit different depending on if people see them socially and assume Matt's a highly valued pet, or if they see them in a professional context and assume he's primarily a working slave. If they assume Matt's a pet, you're right about the tenor or the comments, whereas if they assume Matt's a working slave they know there's no way Foggy would sell him, not after the investment in his training, and they speculate on whether Foggy allows him to sleep with anyone or takes him to bed himself.

Well, the only difference in behaviour between what's expected of a secluded pet and an ordinary pet is that a secluded pet isn't supposed to let anyone see past its veil - it's the clothes that are the real clue. And all of the outfits Danny had made for Matt are secluded pet outfits. Matt knows the protocols, he can follow them, it's stuff like managing a veil, and the hobble that they agreed on, to make sure he didn't move even remotely like he does in any other circumstances, that he really needs practice with. And yes, he's freaking out because it feels too real, like Danny's trying to place a claim on him, and even though he knows that he isn't, can still smell Foggy on himself, it's just too much, so he clings and tries desperately to prove that he can play his part properly, so that they won't have to do this again until the party.

Yes, making Danny one of Matt's handlers slots him into a role that's firmly subordinate to Foggy, making the authority Danny's exercising over him an extension of his real owner's. And it also helps that Foggy ends up calming Danny down as well, when he gets that, Matt sort of sees it as Danny feeling he'd overstepped the mark, and realised he wasn't up to keeping Matt.

And Danny really doesn't like playing the owner's role, he can do it, but he hates it and it takes a lot more effort from him than he realised it would. At the debrief Danny's cuddling Matt for his own comfort, as well as to reassure him - any owner who didn't recognise them would assume that they were a pair of pets waiting for their owner(s).

I think that after the debrief, the next time Danny's alone with Matt he checks if Matt thinks he's still going to need Danny to look out for him as a handler, or if that was just for that undercover role. Matt doesn't think so, but he needs to refer it back to Foggy.

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