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Re: Gen: Foggy, the asshole

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I was talking about this with someone else. Yeah Foggy is downright fucking mean sometimes (telling Marci she didn't have a soul??? wtf dude). I think a lot of people struggle with reconcile the duality of him being really nice and also a huge jerk and trying to figure out how that comes together.
He makes for a really great comparison to matt though because his selflessness is so personal whereas Matt's is so universal and BIG. (Looking back Foggy's big hero moments are always after he's gotten to know the person. without the personal connection he's willing to do things for money, etc.)

There could be any number of explanations but tbh it probably comes down to typical fandom flanderisation. Same thing happens to Matt (I personally would love to see more focus on his arrogant, cocky, dramatic show off side but *shrug*)
I think part of it is that a lot of the fandom relates to Matt and his sadness/trauma/depression. And probably want a presence in life who is as supportive/nice/attentive as fandom!Foggy so they up those features in his character (which also amps up the hurt/comfort which is a fave trope in this fandom. people are indulging themselves)

Re: Gen: Foggy, the asshole

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Op here. I totally agree. I actually get irritated at all these woobie, woe is Matt prompts when they occur in large succession. Don't get me wrong some of the docs written from them are really good but somehow a lot of make Matt kind of a non functioning adult. He clearly has issues but also coping mechanisms. How else would he fight crime? Also cocky Matt is the best. I like him in court when he's all confident etc.

Rounded characters are the best.

I can't write Foggy very well. I've tried and I don't think succeed as much as I would like. My Matt is passable.

Re: Unpowered!Matt/Frank Castle

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you still have the link to that prompt?

Re: Frank Castle talks Matt out of murder

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT.

You make some very good points and paint some extremely sad images. Ugh, I kind of want to write this (because it doesn't seem like anyone else will), but I also don't have the time for it. Convince me, Nonny? Maybe if we discuss this in more detail I can get something together.

Re: Unpowered!Matt/Frank Castle

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I still think that she would probably be a little more open to the idea of helping him, or at least that she would feel like a hypocrite if she tried to take Foggy's side. I don't think she'd be quite as opposed to the idea of representing him.

But still. She probably is not overly fond of the idea of him and Matt getting ~involved. Perhaps his friends' disapproval is a strong factor in Matt's desire to consider breaking up with him?

Re: matt/foggy(/any), medical examination, humiliation

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably Matt's favourite fidget toy then. And he'd have heard the receptionist reminding Foggy to 'dress your pet in something you can easily take off' (Because some owners have brought their pets in wearing these elaborate confections, more decoration than clothing, that take an hour to get off) so he doesn't put anything in his pockets, or the clothes that Matt and Foggy count as easy to take off (sweatpants and T-shirt basically) don't come with pockets. He didn't think Foggy would have bothered bringing a fidget toy when he was being punished.

Yes, Foggy can really see how much Matt is suffering, and maybe he feels a little guilty, because they got there a bit early, and when Matt knelt at his feet to wait he didn't guide Matt's head to rest on his thigh/in his lap. So Matt had resorted to self-soothing, playing with his hem, or waistband, and maybe if Foggy had comforted him a bit he wouldn't be suffering as much.

Foggy definitely has to tell Matt to breath, maybe even give Matt the whole breath in hold it, breath out routine. And of course he cleans up Matt's come, as well as wipe the tears away (not that it helps as much as Foggy might hope, Matt can still smell it after all, still feel the traces he can't get off with just tissues)

And he's reassuring Matt that he doesn't share the doctor's opinion, that he still cares enough to speak to him past the doctor's hearing, and it's the respect Matt's just spent the past half-hour or so being denied.

And oh yes, or maybe, when Foggy asks if Matt wants to get dressed after cleaning him up he hesitantly asks if he can have the shirt Foggy just took off - because it's got foggy's scent on it.

Re: Matt/Foggy, domesticity leads to unexpected feelings

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a short fic for a previous fill that was sort of like this. Not the process of falling in love, but the moment they realize they're already living in domestic bliss and decide to get married?

Re: Slavery AU; More Ideas HALP/2

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Aaaah, so happy you liked the two not-really-but-maybe-yeah-who-are-we-kidding-fill bits! :D

(I'm so here for awkward!Karen, btw. Like, when Matt is about to head out somewhere from his flat or the office, maybe she'd be like: "Uh, are you...allowed to?" she asks, then almost audibly flushes when Matt simply raises an eye brow at her. "I mean, like, I didn't hear Foggy give you...permission to leave, and I know, uh, people with your...status (now Matt is positive he can *actually* hear her cringe) aren't technically allowed to go anywhere on their own, right....?"

Matt: *currently debating on whether 'Damn, Foggy, forgot again! Do you see my leash anywhere?!' or 'Karen. Do you remember I literally *walked you to my flat* on my own the first time we *met*?' is the more appropriate answer.

Karen: *beet red*

Matt: *sighs* There are actually permits for that kind of thing. Foggy got me almost all of them during the first week after he got me.

Karen: Oh, right, I didn't...

Matt: *still completely smooth dead pan* So he doesn't actually have to walk me several times a day any more. Or take me to the slave park to play with the others.

Foggy: *poking his head in* *mock-stern expression* "Matt! Stop being mean to our secretary!"

Matt: *grins* Of course...sir. *and cheerfully waves as he disappears out the door*

Foggy: *looks over at a highly embarrassed Karen* I swear, my mother bought me the most dickish slave she could find and he was probably meant as a punishment.

- and hah, maybe after she accidentally/not-so-accidentally makes him make her coffee, he puts it on her desk, and somewhat cooler than usually goes, "Your coffee. I hope you don't have any more orders for me, because when my *owner* gets back I should probably have made some progress on the work he had me actually trained for."

Cue hugely apologetic Karen and Matt's feathers being smoothed enough that when Foggy gets back, he can see *something* has happened, but whatever it was, at least Matt and Karen both smile at each other again. (And Matt totally *could* tell Foggy about the order, and maybe later he does, but right now he doesn't, and she's really, *really* grateful for it and friendship. :D)

- Oh. Would be a totally random scene, but what if Karen and Matt are out, run into someone (maybe a friend of Karen's?) and she accidentally/naively introduces him as 'Oh, he's the slave of my boss' without him actually getting a word in edgewise before? Cue them of course immediately unable to resist touching him briefly, as you would a cute pet, and Matt next to her doing nothing but that *very* polite smile that immediately makes Karen envision herself as fired by Foggy forever. (Foggy to Matt later on: "Hey, you're the one who made us take her case. This is all on your head now if you can't train her how to behave.")

- and yeah, I mean, part of why I love DD so much, is that Matt not only has to conceal a *secret identity* like a lot of other super heroes, but *also* that he is able to nearly compensate for his blindness - SO, what better way for an AU than to give him yet *another* secret he has to conceal? XD

- and ooh, love the idea about Foggy dragging Matt to a party against Matt's warnings 'nah, it'll be fine, no one will know you're a slave, we'll have fun' without considering (because young+drunk) what it might be like for Matt to see the other slaves used as 'entertainment', knowing that this could so easily be him over there. And then, he, maybe he's just a bit drunk, and not watching out for a minute, and Foggy's at the other end of the room, and someone accidentally discovers his collar and goes 'wait, whaaaaa-? Guys! Whose is this one?! He's *gorgeous*!' and as Foggy's head flies around with a panicked expression and Matt is about to die of shame, the door opens and the cops show up. (Maybe they heard that there's illegal slave-pimping or sth going on here, even if it was a false alarm, now they have to check).

- and yes for Marci on the 'doesn't really care' team, that's exactly what I would have thought - I like her, too. Maybe she occasionally 'orders' Matt in front of others to massage her shoulders or something, and even if Foggy is like 'dammit Marci!' Matt manages to take it gracefully and in some fun - mainly because he knows that this is actually more like teasing between peers and not Marci actually thinking he is less than a free man.

- as for slash or gen - eh, I'm fine with both.^^ In the mini bits I wrote I only had hints at slash, anyway, so the kind of close-friendship-can-be-mistaken-for-pre-slash-if-you-squint relationship is just perfect :) Really, the most important thing in this whole master-slave disaster is the trust-aspect, and there romance or friendship doesn't really matter :p (But that doesn't mean that Matt knowing exactly how attracted Foggy to him is and being wary is in any way less delicious. And Bonus for Matt feeling safe in his presence. Like, if it was really *hot* in the dorms during summer, he knows if he wants to he can simply lie on the bed with his book, wearing nothing but a pair of pants and his collar, and even if he can feel Foggy's heart beat spike at the sight, absolutely nothing is going to happen to him.)

- Stick: ooooh, yes, what a perfect line! (about him being disappointed that Matt has not only managed to NOT somehow get out of slavery on his own, but ALSO *grown feelings for his owner* What are you, Matt, a pet? You were *meant* to be a warrior! (and, oh god, new thought: What if that was Stick's plan all along? He actually *wanted* Matt to get enslaved, just to make sure he'd become emotionally numb and cynic after being treated like legal property for a while. Maybe he was even planning to come back when he'd be sure Matt would be an emotionless, hate-filled wreck, chafing to get violent revenge and then he'd have his warrior (who would also have learned to obey orders without question by then).

And instead he finds...Matt, who has people he loves, who still laughs at stupid jokes, who still believes in justice instead of murder, who would have no problem to give his own life for the person who owns him - and who has the same unbreakable will as ever.

"I had hoped your owner would break you."

"He put me back *together*."

And YES for him trying to plant the seed of doubt in Matt's mind as for Foggy truly freeing him. Because he so would.

"And what is *this*?" Stick's cane spears and picks up his collar Matt had left in his apartment when he went out. Slaves aren't really allowed to take their collars off, ever, but the Devil of Hell's Kitchen is a free man.

No runaway slave who could be traced back to Foggy in any way, at any rate.

"That the girly collar he is making you wear?" Stick sneers and Matt can feel the heat rising in his face, but his fists are clenching with anger.

"That is the collar which lets me live as a *free man*," he snaps back, teeth bared, trying to snatch the collar dangling from Stick's cane, but the old man is faster, of course he is, flicking it out of reach.

"You realize how ridiculous that sounds, right?" Stick snorts. "You're his property, kid, not his friend. You're an investment to him, nothing more. If you stay, you're gonna be wearing that thing for the rest of yer life."

"Give. It. Back." Matt growls, fury coiled tight in his frame. He *hates* his collar, that's true, but...it's still the first thing Foggy ever gave him (bare some hand-me-down clothes before they went shopping for the first time) it's the first thing Foggy bought for him, and he wants it BACK.

He certainly doesn't want *Stick* touching it.

"Heh," Stick spits on the floor. "Seems maybe I misjudged things. They *did* break you after all - you most certainly *are* owned now." He angles his cane and lets the collar slip down to his hand, holding it close to his face, more for dramatic effect, Matt guesses, because there is not much point to 'looking' at anything closely, for them. He can hear his old teacher's lips stretch it into a contemptous grin. "Is he good to you when he fucks you, too?"

Matt isn't aware of much after that, but there is a faint tinge of regret when the first piece of furniture Foggy bought for him shatters against Stick's head.

- and ahah, yes, the bruises! Foggy being like MATT WHAT ARE YOU DOING PEOPLE ARE GIVING ME DIRTY LOOKS and maybe the two of them being like that at a doctor/hospital visit, too - like, maybe Matt got into a fight at campus before when they stopped a rape or something (in close combat, it wouldn't even be that weird for a blind person to be able to land a punch) and then they're at the doctor's office and the nurse being there being like 'O.o' and Matt *sitting on examination table* is basically like 'yeah, my fault, I'm a terrible slave. I accidentally ran my last owner with a lawn mower, that punishment was totally warranted' and Foggy giving him like a 'what the fuck, Matt'-face from the side lines, but unable to contradict him, because the truth would likely get Matt destroyed/sequestered/sold. ("you basically gave me a heart attack at the doctor's office. I *should* punish you if you ever do sth like that again, you are officially insane." Matt: 'Hmm. You could threaten to blind me with a laser, I hear that works wonders.")

And Karen, yes. Foggy's 'no, he's...*really* clumsy' is only going to get him so far after a while. But yes, *epic* confusion XD

-speaking of which, what do you think the ballon scene would look like this time with Karen? Would she already be guessing at the abandonment fears or figure that out afterwards? What kind of questions would she be asking? Would she buy the car crash story this time that easily or assume it has sth to do with Matt's status that he doesn't want to tell people about?

- and so YES to that selling joke! I had to laugh so hard at the dialogue (and the idea that Matt at some point starts suggesting to sell himself)

What if, like, after the adventure but shortly before Matt's officially freed:

Foggy: Oh man. No wonder those 'I'm gonna sell you' threats never worked if you could tell I was lying the entire time. Dammit. *contemplative face* Hmm. So. What if I said...'I'm gonna gag you and tie you up outside if you don't shut up'?

Matt: *sitting on the couch, cocks his head* Hmmm. Lie.

Foggy. Dammit. Oh. 'I'll starve you for the next three weeks'?

Matt: Lie. Also, you're getting hungry now.

Foggy: *glowers* 'I'm gonna smack your ass if you don't stop monitoring my bodily functions, Murdock'

Matt: *grins* Truth, actually. Takeout?

Foggy: Hell, *yes*.



Re: FILL: (2/?) (Matt the Baker/Superhero Magnet)

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This is the most amazing bakery/coffee shop au I have ever read. I love it so much! :D Thank you for writing and I can't wait for the next installment!

Re: *Foggy,Gen or Ship* Foggy Cannot Be Tortured.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Not OP: I was sorta kinda hoping for an actually related to the Addams family Foggy ala these fic:

http://fuckyeahjohnlockfanfic.tumblr.com/post/28182644769/sic-gorgiamus-allos-subjectatos-nunc

Re: Foggy&Matt or Foggy/Matt, OC, harassment, attempted noncon

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm all for Claire storming the Nelson&Murdock office to rain wrath on Foggy, because WHAT THE HELL, FOGGY, I'VE MET YOU ONCE AND YOU SEEMED DECENT, BUT THIS IS JUST SICK.

Matt/Foggy, Size Queen Matt

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
This is obviously a bid for filthy porn, but I'd really like to see a fic where Matt just loves, loves, loves being fucked, the bigger the dick the better. He's such a size queen, he knows it, he's confident in that knowledge, and he regularly indulges in this in a string of hook-ups and amazing one night stands.

But then he starts to have feeeeelings for Foggy and things go sideways. Foggy's just so smart and kind and he's Matt's best friend and everything he's ever wanted, and they just fit. The question of "how good is sex going to be with him?" doesn't even come up occur to Matt. Like, it'd be silly of Matt not to jump on the opportunity because he might have to put an aspect of his sex life on the back burner.

And so he and Foggy get together. Matt stops regularly picking up people to get his size kink fix. And it's great. It is non-ironically the best relationship that either of them have ever had.

And then they get to sex.

And Foggy blows all previous competition out of the water.

Re: Fill: kind of a problem (established Matt/Foggy) (3/3)

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"Do you mean..? What were you listening to?" Matt let Foggy disengage from him. Heard his jacket brush the edge of the desk. Felt the hitch in his breath when he realised what he was hearing. When he realised what had Matt hard at his desk.

The rough sound of his finger on the laptop's roller mouse. Click. The sounds abruptly stopped pouring out of the headphones, in the middle of that /asshole/ describing what it felt like when Foggy choked on his dick. "Shit, tears in his eyes! Wish you could see thi-"

Foggy's heartbeat was roaring, adrenaline scent filling the air, fear-anger-shame, no, no, no...

"It's not your fault. It. We'll get the clip taken down. God. I'm. You don't have to talk about it. If you don't want."

"What about these?" Matt had almost forgotten the veiled hints. The first one that had asked after his dad, but the next one mentioned his dad's gloves, and the next pondered what he had against dogs, and then... Well, there wasn't anything there that would have outed him if you didn't already know, and it was about half a percent as important as this.

"Those aren't..."

"Someone knows, Matt! This is the hugest deal!" Entirely fear, now, way too much adrenaline, his lungs moving like a hurricane, and he was leaning forward to brace a hand on the desk. Crap.

He took a step towards Foggy and another to the side, bringing him in reach of the laptop without crowding his partner. Matt snapped the laptop shut.

"I'm sorry I didn't tell you about the recording right away. I'm sorry I didn't stop them. I'm sorry any of this happened, but we can..." 'put it right', Murdock? How can this ever be put right? "We can work it out. You'll. It'll be okay."

Foggy might not even be hearing him, but the tone of his voice (the one he used for frightened kids when he was working, the one he thinks of as his soothing voice) couldn't be hurting, right?

Foggy's head is still down, chin to chest, and Matt can't smell tears but there's something ripping the words out of Foggy: "No, it's... I didn't know they were gonna... You don't..."

Plan B, then. Matt tugged the chair closer to Foggy and guided him into it. "It's alright. I know."

(A/N: I'm a vicious person who reads 'misunderstanding' fics and stops before anybody communicates effectively, and apparently I write them that way too. Hope you've like it! By the way, Plan B is cuddles and petting Foggy's hair, and letting him break down while hiding his face in Matt's chest but I couldn't keep Foogy incoherent for long enough to do that justice without ruining my evil plan.)


Re: *Foggy,Gen or Ship* Foggy Cannot Be Tortured.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
oh man 'Actually Related to the Addams' is like my favorist, actually stemming from that very fic haha

And just. Foggy is relentlessly cheerful for the most part, just like the Addams (morbidly cheerful, but cheerful). And the Addams are so big on healthy relationships! Which is why he takes Matt lying so hard. A rewrite of NvM might be in need, though, as it usually is when Foggy has his own secrets he was keeping.

But like, this guy is planning on torturing Foggy and Foggy's just like "whoa whoa whoa, buddy, we don't know each other well enough for this and you're really not my type and also pliers are really a third date thing, so um"

Re: Fill: kind of a problem (established Matt/Foggy) (3/3)

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Further A/N: I've just realised that this doesn't make explicit that it's a gangbang. My thinking was that the narrating asshole would explain away his narrating because he was talking to the guy enjoying Foggy's ass, and so Foggy wouldn't be suspicious? I'm so sorry, OP.

Re: *Foggy,Gen or Ship* Foggy Cannot Be Tortured.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I know right! :D He'd fit right in!

Re: *Foggy,Gen or Ship* Foggy Cannot Be Tortured.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Matt: You got mad about me keeping secrets and you had this huge secret about your family!

Foggy: What secret? You've met most of my imedate family,and I talk about the rest of my family all the time. You laughed when I told you about cousin Wednesday setting fire to her summer camp.

Matt: I thought you were JOKING!

Foggy: *frowns* Why would anybody joke about something like that...

Re: FILL: Follow the Thread (5 & 6/6)

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS IS THE MOST PRECIOUS THING

Gen or any, Daredevil characters from the perspective of someone who hates them

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm an author and one of the writing exercises I do is writing scenes with all of my OCs from the perspective of someone who really loves and adores them and from the perspective of someone who really, really doesn't - I'm not talking love-hate or rivalry, just plain dislike.

(This helps immensely with making characters more well-rounded and realistic and treating them fairly btw. I highly recommend it.)

Give me any of our heroes (and non-heroes if you so choose) as seen by people who just can't stand them.

Alternately, you can also do both perspectives and contrast them.

Re: Matt can detect seizures; gen or Matt/Foggy

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a friend with epilepsy and I have bipolar that is treated with anticonvulsants so I have a little bit more to add.

Most people with epilepsy don't have grand mal seizures either ever or often. Seizures in their presentation can be mistaken for certain panic attacks or just reflexive repetitive movements. A lot of seizures might not even be noticeable AS seizures, and a lot of people who have them can keep it an invisible illness.

One thing Matt might be able to help with if Foggy doesn't have Grand Mal seizures is the confusion after seizures - there is often a period of confusion and amnesia after partial seizures where sufferers can just wander off, sometimes into streets busy with cars or other dangerous situations.

Auras can also be dangerous to the sufferer! My friend has seizure-associated psychotic episodes which can be something you could explore. Prodrome, that feeling of discomfort or agitation before a seizure, can sometimes instill thoughts of self-harm or suicide. Knowing that Foggy might have a seizure or is in the state of possibly having a seizure could help Matt prevent Foggy's triggers or have an attack plan they draw up together to keep him safe.

The anti-epileptic drug my friend is on is Keppra. I don't know all of the usual options but I know some others are Lamotrigine, Depakote, and Topomax because those are also mood stabilizers and I would be happy to discuss with you the side-effects of all three - I have been on Lamotrigine for five years and I have been considered for both Depakote and Topomax by my doctor so I have done a decent amount of research on them.

You can find more information about anti-epileptic drugs here: http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/MedClass/AntiEpilepticDrugs

Here is more information on auras: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_(symptom)#Seizures

I am also perfectly happy to answer questions on many of the 'other sensations' category because the majority of them besides the paralysis and the feel that your limbs are growing are parts of my own bipolar episodes.

Re: Matt hugs Foggy

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I wrote that story! Wow, thank you!

Re: Matt/Foggy, Size Queen Matt

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
*sets up camp*
YASSS.

Re: [Fill] breath to breath, skin to skin

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
OP here! This was absolutely beautiful, I love how you wrote both of them high and I love how you handled them having sex. Everything about this is great, thank you so much!

Re: Matt/Always a girl!Foggy

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
So is Matt badumtiss

Re: Unpowered!Matt/Frank Castle

(Anonymous) 2015-09-04 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll try to hunt it down:)