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Re: wesley/fisk/vanessa vs. foggy/matt/karen parallels

(Anonymous) 2015-05-17 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my gosh, the parallels about Claire and Wesley just standing back while Matt and Fisk beat people up hadn't occurred to me but I love that too. I think it's maybe relevant that Claire is the first person Daredevil lets in? Like, when I think about these parallels I'm like "oh yes Claire has known him the longest just like Wesley seems to for Fisk" and then I'm like, wait, no, Claire has hardly known Matt any time at all?? But she has known Daredevil longer than anyone; she's associated with Matt's "professional" side more than his personal one, just like Wesley, but of course in both cases the connection between them is personal.

Also yes, I absolutely agree re: the differences in how Foggy and Vanessa react. I think it absolutely is about how Fisk and Matt communicate, Matt is so reserved and Foggy had every reason to think Matt would have told him about something like this, but he didn't, and that has to hurt. That said, when I think about it, Vanessa actually does react a similar way to Foggy when she finds out about Fisk's dangerous side. It doesn't happen at the same time chronologically so the parallel is less obvious, but she draws back from Fisk and initially rejects him ("I'm not sure how I feel"). She hasn't known Fisk that long so she's less betrayed and her reaction is less intense, but it's still there.

Re: wesley/fisk/vanessa vs. foggy/matt/karen parallels

(Anonymous) 2015-05-18 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I find it so weird that the show sets up Claire as like.... the cornerstone of Matt's daredevil experience. And almost like... the THING that sets him up on the road to being what he is at the end of the season (god Matt's approach to crime fighting changed so much) and yet she was only in like 5 episodes or something. And yet she makes such a strong presence with her force of nature I feel like she was actually there for a lot more of it. or like... knew matt longer than she actually did like u said. Contrast with Wesley who.. while being there /all/ the time was so background for a lot of it it didn't feel like he was there.
Once claire got involved and other people knew about his ting daredeviling stopped being 'this thing i do sometimes' and started being like.. a real actual thing. LIke i don't think matt ever didn't' take it seriously but it takes on an extra level of reality once you have someone elses perspective added.

It's been so long since I watched the show that some things have slipped my mind and yes you're right Vanessa did reject him at first. I think part of the... lack of intensity comparing Foggy and Vanessa's reactions is their different values? Vanessa seems to be a person who understands the value of compartmentalising and... being different things in different situations? So she can understand Fisk's perspective a little more than Foggy's... all in or nothing style of being.
(part of me thinks that Foggy also got Mad at Matt for lying about the senses because it... if he doesn't know what matt's capabilities are then he can't accommodate for matt accurately. Which would be important for a caretaker personality like Foggy.) (besides i mean... feeling like a doofus for offering all this help which apparently wasn't needed)

I do hope the show is going to continue exploring Personal vs Professional and how people separate or make those areas of their lives mingle. The conflict of interests involved in being both a vigilante and a lawyer where definitely looked at but I want to see how the show continues to look at who you are vs. what you do and how it all melds together.