daredevilkink | Discussion/Off-Topic Post #1

In most of my fandoms I tend to ship pairings that I don't ever expect to happen in the show. That's most of the fun for me, exploring relationships in ways that I would never see in canon. If a pairing shows up in canon after I start seriously shipping it I might feel uncomfortable and vaguely pandered to. Often I end up dropping the pairing.

Daredevil examples:

Matt/Foggy - this is my primary pairing and the one I never want to see in canon. Hookup maybe, but not in an OTP way. Matt is already so socially isolated that becoming more involved with his best friend is a recipe for disaster all around, and not in the fun way. Also this would break the long and glorious cycle of all Matt's girlfriends being terrible for him and I just ... can't deny him that grinder. I've been a comics fan for too long.

Matt/Fisk/Vanessa - this is really about Matt and Vanessa, but Fisk and Vanessa come as a set so Fisk is there by default. Matt wants to rescue Vanessa, Vanessa finds Matt cute and naive. Would never happen since threesome.

Matt/Karen/Foggy - I wouldn't mind seeing this! But again, threesome.

Karen/Foggy - ok? I expect to see this on the show so not that interested, but I get the potential.

Matt/martyrdom - not really a pairing but this is the true OTP! Not the prideful self destructive kind, although Matt does have some of that in him, but the real kind. Where you fight a war that's already lost before you even started. Where all the consequences of your choices fall on you like a ton of bricks. Where you devote yourself to an ideal and for that choice you pay. and pay. and pay.

What's the feeling among you, nonnies? Do you want your pairings to become canon? Do you think fan favorite couples influence showrunners? Should they?

I agree with your points on Matt/Foggy, but I still want it to be canon because I would love to see the hissy fits that certain fanboys would throw if Matt Murdock dated a guy.

On the other hand, I think Matt/Frank Castle would make even more dudebro heads explode, so that is the ship I want most to be canon.

(not the first anon)

"it will piss off dudebro fanboys" is probably one of the best shipping motivations out there tbh. how many heads would explode if Matt and Foggy kissed?

ayrt

Probably a lot. :D Though some of those would be shipper's heads exploding with joy.

NAYRT but omg yes, and tbh Matt and Foggy are like the brothers from another mother besties4lyfe who get the occasional nod of tru wuv in comics, but the DD pair who is unquestionably the Shakespeare tragedy doomed love affair too passionate to survive? Matt/Frank. Seriously, End of Days, when Frank shows up at the end and has DD's mask and pins it next to Jack Murdock's boxing gloves? The first time I read that I just put my face in my hands and bawled like a baby for about 10 minutes straight. And I usually still cry when I re-read it. I love Matt/Foggy, I'm tender for them, but Marvel forced me to ship Matt/Frank because it's right.there. They didn't give me a choice.

I would love for Matt/Foggy to become canon, but I'd love for Matt/Claire to happen too.

My biggest notp is Matt/Karen, so I would hope Karen would end up with Foggy (or nobody, that also works for me because I actually don't like Karen all that much) and Matt would end up with Claire.

Purely fantasy-land pairing I'd also like to see is Matt as the filling to a Vanessa/Matt/Fisk sandwich, because whoever it is that's been writing those delightful predatory!Vanessa/Fisk/Matt fics has brought me over to the dark side, lol. (anon, if you see this, please write more of those haha)

...I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY THERE OKAY I WANT FRIENDSHIP. I am in such a minority in every fandom because I always, always, always prefer the platonic route except for in, like, sitcoms.

I'm with you 100%. I kind of resent the general implication that a relationship isn't really meaningful unless two characters are having sex.

I would be okay with Matt/Karen as long as it's brief and awkward and then they break up and stay friends for ever and ever.

Kind of like with Claire, actually. Huh.

I am actually also 100% behind this. In fandom world? Give me all the pairings! In TV land? Give me none please, let them all be friends (especially Karen - WHY does she need a romantic relationship?? She doesn't! Especially not with her BOSS.)

Sorry, small tangent there, but overall, yes. this.

Matt and Foggy are PLATONIC soulmates in my brain, so I would prefer to not see them hook up.

Matt/Karen is inevitable and I am not looking forward to it. Charlie Cox has mentioned it, anyone who has read issue one of Daredevil knows about it, and even though Netflix Karen is way better than comics Karen ever was, I totally fucking hate her. She is emotional vampire who will drain the living shit out of Matt and then she will probably die.

...Sorry, I just have strong feelings about her. I mean, she really is terrible. She ruins Ben's life, Wesley's life, Fisk's MOTHERS's life, and stomps all over everyone else's plots because they're not important to her.

I would be pretty cool with a Foggy/Karen/Matt pairing though. Not a rivalry, a poly relationship. TV probably isn't ready for it, but the average New Yorker is, because all of my friends seem to be in one.

Are you saying she was wrong to kill Wesley? O_o

I like Wesley, but he was not a good guy.

I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but she already has some notches on her belt of "doing terrible things this season." I'll give her a pass on Wesley, but she got herself into that one, being all stupid about her own safety after being attacked about a bajillion times.

Following that logic, Wesley's death was his own fault for being stupid enough to put that loaded gun on the table. And for working for a crime boss in the first place.

Okay, she gets a pass on Wesley. But not for anything else.

not to sound rude, but you do understand that a lot of the unpleasant stuff she does in the season is stuff typical of a reporter digging for clues? like, you do enough rooting around, you find stuff like fisk's mother. and you cause people trouble.

like, you can call karen stupid about her own safety but she's extremely similar to matt in that she gets in way over her head. in fact, so does foggy -- he was the one that decided to take elena cardenas' case, and he ended up paying for it.

just...all of these characters made mistakes, okay? and ben knew going into this that it was high risk. not to say he should have died for it (i think the writers killing him off was sloppy and unnecessary) but to blame karen for "ruining his life"?....really?

Thank you. That Karen hate post was bugging me (emotional vampire? what?) but I couldn't really articulate a response.

I do think that Karen was wrong to bring Ben to Fisk's mom without letting him know that's where they were going, but even a big mistake like that doesn't make her a monster.

Right? Some of the Karen fans are spending time here talking her up by shooting down all the other characters and some of the Karen haters are spending a lot of time trying to vilify every one of her choices. It's gotten old already, ugh.

How did she ruin Fisk's mother's life? xD

All that happened to Mama Fisk was that she had to be moved out of her assisted living facility.

Sure, Karen discovering her may have put the woman in danger of Fisk's enemies, but that's Fisk's fault for making those enemies in the first place. Any danger that his mom was in was his fault, not Karen's.

stomps all over everyone else's plots because they're not important to her.

Wait, who is unimportant to her? Fisk and Wesley? Why should they be important to her? They killed her coworker, framed her and tried to have her killed. If you wanna talk about ruined lives, Karen had hers ruined pretty terribly, and she's still reeling from the trauma of it all through season 1.

Or are you saying that other characters aren't important to her? If so, who? Matt, Foggy, Elena? If you meant them, you're just plain wrong, because they are all very obviously important to her.

God love you for taking on this observation with such a clinical response. You're doing the lord's work with more patience than I could afford.

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