daredevilkink | Discussion/Off-Topic Post #1

Also, why would you advise people who have either a legitimate grievance or legitimate issue to talk about it in a place where nobody involved would be able to know about it and thus be aware?

Like, it seems like there are actually constructive things being said here about people's motivations for discussing the number of slavefic fillers, how they came to the meme, and how we can all get along.

If somebody had gone off and just bitched on Tumblr, then nobody would have a chance to air things out and figure out why we're all so tense about it.

I kind of like that the slave AU people have had a chance to express here why they came here and how much they love our meme, that people who maybe didn't realize they were coming off as passive aggressive have a chance to explain what they really meant, and that we can talk about things like warnings, flat meme vs. threaded, and what this post is for in a place where those conversations have an impact.

And personally, I would much rather have people bitch about anything related to me here so I know it's going on than find out about it through someone else on Tumblr. One is much, much ruder imho. Because "other places" are often just as public as the meme at the end of the day.

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I think one of the big reasons why slavefic has caused so much tension is because we haven't cleared the air about warnings, flatmeme, and subject titles. Fandom exists over a lot of platforms, all with its own conventions and silent rules, and it's impossible to expect everyone to be on the same page immediately. I think this whole discussion will go a long way towards avoiding possible future conflicts too.

...huh. You know, that flatmeme thing might be something to look into.

If a slavefic fan is new to the meme, or just doesn’t get/use flatmeme, then that might explain why some of them feel like the comments of 'wow, there's a lot of slavefic' are some sort of unprovoked attack rather than it being like someone saying 'wow, it's really windy today'.

Because in threaded view, it's like you're in your own little house doing your own thing while people in neighboring threads do *their* thing and all of it is mostly separate and self-contained. Commenting on a thread explosion in that kind of environment looks a lot more like sour grapes, especially since you could easily ignore it if you wanted to.

While in flatmeme NOTHING is separate. You get everything all the time, whether you like what's on offer or not. And what flatmemers have been getting the last few months is 100k+ worth of slavefic when for all of the year before that slavefic wasn't even a blip on the radar. That's blink worthy at *least.*

And then the follow up question becomes 'so who's doing all this writing?' And the answer is, 'a relatively small group (in comparison to all the content that's being created) of slavefic fans.' And that's not a judgement. It’s just a mystery solved.

But see, that's the thing. People complain subtly here, and then complain loudly over on their Tumblr, and it's like... we're a small fandom, y'know? I'm pretty sure we all follow each other on Tumblr. So you pair the type of discussions that happen here with the outright disdain on Tumblr and you start to get the full picture.

(I mean, people have the right to complain, I know that. I'm just trying to explain how people might've reached the conclusion that some of the comments here carry a subtle hostility toward a certain kink and certain authors who are writing those fics)

What outright disdain on Tumblr? Cuz you're right, this group does tend to run in the same circles and I haven't seen any of that.

What, do you want actual name-and-shame links or...? Because that sounds like a bad idea all-around.

Personally, I'd rather know if that was actually happening or if it was just an exaggeration of a perceived insult. If it was an actual insult, yeah, okay, point taken. If not, well, it wouldn't be the first time someone has admitted to blowing things out of proportion in this thread.

Seriously though, I think "reached the conclusion" is the key phrase here. Ya'll are making serious assumptions about malicious intent. It's a defensive reflex, okay, but it's wrong. Which others have tried to explain but all that seems to be getting across to the other side is that non-slavefic fans are being passive-agressive in their hate. Which, no.

(and let's be real, okay, there's probably no such thing as a purely non-slavefic fan on this meme anymore for the simple reason that there has been nothing else to read for a while. <--- and that is said with ZERO hostility, because we all know by this point how crap we all are at reading tone online.)

To be fair to the slavefic people, I think they were initially defensive but wanted to know why people seemed to have an issue as much as everyone else was curious who they were.

And they have been taking all this in fairly well. Even today I saw trigger warnings added to a fill.

Yay to this meme, where what could easily be wank turns out to actually be an interesting and thought-provoking conversation where everyone understands each other better.

Three cheers for us! Rational thought and discourse win! (With added fun analogies).

So really I suspect we've all just been misunderstanding the root of the problem. I feel like the people who initially they were bristling towards have now been understood as not malicious and vice versa.

This is 100% the least wanky meme I've ever been on and I'm actually glad I said something about all of this.

Like, goddamn, meme, now I'm getting fuzzy feels from how much I appreciate this place. Pretty much every other meme (apart from the hydra trash meme) would have had so much more wank and it would have turned really personal. But now there's constructive change.

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