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Was it this one? It's a minifill, so thats probably why you couldnt find it.

http://daredevilkink.dreamwidth.org/1742.html?thread=3529934#cmt3529934

That's it! Thank you.

Hi OP! I'm the ayrt

Oh they definitely fight, this is not a sweet, lovey, let's pick curtains and do the happily ever after thing type of couple, not in any way, shape, or form. These are both very broken men who have ridiculously harsh boundaries when it comes to self-worth and trust issues and personal vulnerability, AND YET they have this bizarre relationship that shouldn't work in any terms, but does, and it just continues to grow and strengthen. The totally fabulous thing is if you go back to the beginning of their relationship and follow it, you can actually see where creators have decided to weigh in on the Frank/Matt relationship and expand on it, give it breath and life and depth, not just intensity. And, dear god, new teams are doing it now because Frank and Matt have established themselves as... I don't know what to call it besides a pairing. And I don't even mean that in a boyfriend way, but it's an honest to god pairing. Both of these guys have done team-ups with so many other characters across Marvel and yet creators just keep putting them together because, for better or worse, they're two sides of the same coin. Which is what draws me to them.

If they wanted to, they could even take a leaf from Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe and have them be childhood friends.

Yaaaaas! See, they couldn't have really done this in the MCU if they went with canon Vietnam vet Frank, because the age difference would have been huge, but they've retconned Frank to be an Iraqi/Afghan vet now, I think, and if he's less than 10 yrs older than Matt, there's a chance they may actually have them be childhood friends of some type. Maybe via the seminary/church/Father Lantom. There was talk from one of the showrunners that DD S2 has been dubbed Daredevil vs The Punisher and their relationship is going to be centred (and the new season filming has already shown Frank in episode 1), but they'll be at odds but have to work together, against a common foe, I assume. My money is on Bullseye (I'm wondering if he's going to be just as twisted psycho obsessed with DD in the MCU as he is in the comics) but who knows.

I'm just like you, horribly excited for anything and all of it but I'm pretty easy to please. I watched Punisher: War Zone and squealed when Frank called someone else in a sarcastic tone of voice 'Oh, he's a regular choirboy.' All I could think was haha, Matt's not allowed to be mentioned in the film because that wasn't a Marvel film and they didn't have rights to DD, but they sure snuck him in there anyway. That scene and the priest quoting scripture to Frank and Frank rumbling, (book of) 'Matthew.' See, even those things made me happy. I'm way too easy.

ayrt o/

There's something in Matt that responds so deeply and positively to Frank or else Matt would lump him in with Bullseye and Fisk. But he doesn't.

omg nonnie, yeeessssss! Matt can call Frank a killer and murderer because it's true, it's factual, but it's so different than the way he calls Vladimir 'murdering scum.' Vlad was out doing awful things to decent, innocent people, and Frank, well, he's targeting the same people as Matt with the exception that Matt wants them to have their day in court, and Frank wants to put a bullet between their eyes. Killer, yes, but Matt really does compartmentalise Frank differently.

Good lord, the last paragraph you wrote? You're going to make me tear up. MY BABIES, THAT'S THEM RIGHT THERE. ♥ OK sorry, didn't mean to get verklempt. but my baaaabies...

I am saying that it probably took Matt a lot of time and a lot of years to be able to see Stick as clearly as he does there, and even then he still agrees to help Stick; I can see him as still hoping for his approval somehow here

nayrt

That's how I see him in that scene, too, because you can see Matt wants to cold shoulder Stick from the start, he's still a hurt little boy over Stick leaving, and it looks like he thaws a tiny bit when Stick say he's legit proud of Matty, and then Stick pushes Matt's buttons about Jack just to test his control. And once Stick laughs about Matt learning to get out of the hold, Matt is still angry, but when Stick acknowledges he's a dick and asks for beer? GDI Matt smiles at him like Stick is a long lost friend. And then Matt catches himself and puts the smile away awkwardly. But he does go on to seek validation from Stick in that whole scene, he wants Stick to say he needs Matt, that he finds worth in Matt, and Stick does. And everything is good for two minutes until Stick kills Black Sky and Matt's just uuuugh FML! all over again. It really has to suck to be Matt Murdock with Stick as the mentor who won't GO AWAY.

I don't know how much of the comics will make it into the MCU because they've already done a really good job of playing mashup with 50+ years of DD, but fyi Stick treats Matt even worse in the comics, and Matt may hate Stick in the comics too, but he also venerates Stick (the legendary sensei who trained him and taught him how to control his gifts) even MORE in the comics, in spite of all that. It's hard to image our Stick is the kinder, gentler version, but he is, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this whole Matt needing to be ready 'when the doors open' thing plays out later, probably in the Iron Fist series.

ahem. right now there's a good chunk of my dialogue that takes place in Spanish, which. is not a language I have ever spoken in my life, though it bears some similarity to Filipino. what little Spanish I ever learned, I got from Dora the Explorer, and even that's atrophied, so yeah--all I know is vamonos.

anyone far better at Spanish willing to help an anon out? I've had to resort to Google Translate, but I am fully aware it's horrible, so, like. if anyone's willing to help, I'll send you the doc when the scene's done?

same here, the college i'm attending has in-suite bathrooms. you better take a look at columbia's dorming options because they may have one big tenant building or multiple smaller ones and if that's the case then bathroom situation may vary by dorm complex.

Well, here's the link for checking out what Columbia actually does: http://web.law.columbia.edu/students/student-services/living/housing

We had the two-rooms-and-a-bathroom thing my freshman year of college, and I was so glad when I moved to dorms that had a floor bathroom instead that I stayed in them right up through my senior year of college, because the cleaning service took care of the bathroom and I didn't have to deal with it! (I'm so lazy.)

To keep from crowding the thread with this fairly long meta read here:

http://dusty-soul.tumblr.com/post/124998656097/so-a-while-back-i-made-a-post-about-how-the#notes

Mine isn't perfect but I live with my Spanish speaking family so I can ask them as well. How do you want to be contacted?

Claire says it herself: No Light Perception (or NLP for short). His pupils didn't react to light when she waved the penlight over them.

He literally sees nothing.

The show does a shit job at explaining this, because of that foolish "world on fire" impressionistic painting blah blah they used, but it was just a metaphor for all sensory input he's bombarded with.

He doesn't literally see a world on fire. Or red. Because his eyes don't work.

Matt. Is. Totally. Blind.

/soapbox

Would anybody be interested in a writing challenge? I've seen this in other fandoms. The Mod could pick a prompt or idea and post it, and anybody who is interested would have, say, three weeks to write a 1500-word story based on the prompt? Then they post the stories, or send them to the mod for posting (if that works) and everybody can read. Voting for favourites would be optional, if desired.

What does everybody think?

Yep. being the best at parkour and detecting the presence of hidden people better than a sighted person doesn't mean he 'can basically see anyway', because those aren't the skills most often used in daily life. Parkour doesn't help you practice law and good luck trying to read an overhead menu with your super sensitive fingertips.

http://www.theothermurdockpapers.com/2008/06/my-other-senses-more-than-compensate/

(Yes, access to voiceover and online shopping/food ordering/lawbooks helps and we could debate forever about the concept of disability but he cannot do 'everything a sighted person can' without the use of assistive technology, stop trying to take away my disabled superhero. )

Co-sighed!

It's not mutually exclusive; he can still be an awesome ninja who climbs up buildings without erasing his disability. ^_^

I like it! The meme seems to be slowing down a bit, so it'd be cool to generate more interest/fun. :-D

This varies wildly depending on what school you go to. I went to a private Catholic university and they had private bathrooms for two-people rooms. They also had private bathrooms for the rooms exclusively for disabled students.

If you want to give Matt and Foggy a private bathroom then I think it's quite believable for an Ivy League university like Columbia to have rooms like that. I think it's even more believable for Foggy to talk the building administrators into letting him and Matt have one to accomodate Matt's blindness. (Foggy could also play up the safety angle here if he so chose. "I'm terrified someone's going to knock Matt down in the showers and not let him get back up.") Matt could also refuse to move rooms unless Foggy could room with him.

I will help you I speak spanish. It's my first language

I concur! I agree that, at least as far as fills go if not in terms of prompts, the meme does seem to be slowing down a bit.

A challenge of some kind might be a good kick in the pants to everyone! :D

Thanks for getting up on that soapbox so that I don't have to, OP. :)

The whole misinterpretation of the "world on fire" concept really bugs me when I see it, as does anytime that Matt seems to sail through the sighted world without issue in fic.

Just FYI person above, to clarify California isn't the only state where you can practice law if you were disbarred somewhere else.

The reason Matt practices there is because it's the only other state that he had already passed the bar in and was able to practice law in and he hadn't been disbarred there yet. There was a whole arc decades ago where he lived in California, which is why he could do that.

The idea being that in any other state he would actually have to apply to be a lawyer and pass the bar there, and they wouldn't let him if they found out he'd been disbarred somewhere else.

That's what I took away from the explanation given in the comics. It'd be pretty weird if California was just like "Hey, all disbarred lawyers come on down! We want you here!"

SA... sorry. Just realized that I nitpicked on the very thread where someone was wondering about why fandom is so nitpicky. lol

I do suspect that DD fandom tends to get a bit more nitpicky around aspects of Matt's disability and character, only because there are so many things that are out of people's wheelhouse when it comes to writing him.

So, for example, nobody wants to be that person who writes a blind character in a way that's accidentally offensive or doesn't get it right. I think everyone here kind of feels like that's a bit of a minefield at times.

Same goes, in probably a less hyper-aware way, for the Catholicism, and even for the lawyer aspect of his personality.

I find that this fandom's actually been pretty educational to me, because everyone is really concerned with making sure that they're doing the aspects of the show that they don't have knowledge about justice and been very conscientious. It's nice. (But then I'm also not disabled. Or Catholic. Or a lawyer).

I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS NOW!

...everyone doing alright out there?

(I'm more than willing to instigate a group hug for those who need it to survive the wait till September).

Let me give you three good reasons Matt has to doubt the law, to be willing to work against it for what he considers a higher good:

1. He's American. There are no remnants of Divine Right of Kings in our thinking or our legal system. In fact, the reason behind our right to bear arms? Is at least in part so that we can rise up against an unjust government, if that becomes necessary again. No matter what you think of gun control and militias, you need to remember that the original Constitution signers had been part of a movement that had successfully overthrown their government using them, and they broke plenty of laws doing it, too. (History lovers help me if I'm wrong here, but this is at least the perspective I currently have as an American, gained in history class and elsewhere. I know the Constitution came after the Confederacy--or, well, pretty much killed the Confederacy--but I'm still sure that most of the signers had been influential in the American Revolution.)

2. He's Catholic. I'm not, but I am a Christian, and let me tell you, "We must obey the laws of God rather than man" is not lip service to me. Throughout history, Christians (including Catholics) have broken unjust laws multiple times, most famously doing such things as smuggling people facing government-authorized persecution (Underground Railroad, Jews and others in Nazi Germany, etc.); preaching and smuggling Christian literature/radio where that is prohibited (all the way from ancient Rome right up until today); and even marrying people, if you subscribe to the legend of Saint Valentine. (See, I included something more Catholic!) Now, "Fear God, honor the king" is definitely important when man's laws don't contradict God's laws, along with "the magistrate" being God's servant, but an intrinsic respect for the law as such is not part of Catholic teaching any more than American thinking, as far as I'm aware. (Anybody more knowledgeable about a different perspective in Catholicism?)

3. The law has failed him personally and is continuing to fail everyone around him. This is the reason most people recognize, but I just wanted to point out numbers one and two above for Matt's distrust of the law.

And one good reason that it should be shocking:

1. He's a lawyer. That's the part that really seems to trip people (including Foggy) up, for good reason. It means that he made an oath to support the constitution of the country and his state, which he is breaking by his vigilantism. He's not just breaking the law, he is breaking a personal oath he swore. On the other hand, lawyers are no more fond of the law than anybody else, and in fact can be much more aware of its failings and cynical about what it can accomplish. A lawyer told me that on his first day at law school, one of his professor told the whole class, "If you're here because you're interested in Justice, you're in the wrong place. You should be in seminary. Law is the bastard sister of Justice." Which is exactly what Murdock has to acknowledge at Landman and Zach. I think that internship had as much to do with him becoming a vigilante as the crying of a little girl in her bed that only he could hear.

(Sorry, sometimes I just have to share my thoughts. I'm so glad this is anonymous, because I know I'm boring.)

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