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ayrt o/

There's something in Matt that responds so deeply and positively to Frank or else Matt would lump him in with Bullseye and Fisk. But he doesn't.

omg nonnie, yeeessssss! Matt can call Frank a killer and murderer because it's true, it's factual, but it's so different than the way he calls Vladimir 'murdering scum.' Vlad was out doing awful things to decent, innocent people, and Frank, well, he's targeting the same people as Matt with the exception that Matt wants them to have their day in court, and Frank wants to put a bullet between their eyes. Killer, yes, but Matt really does compartmentalise Frank differently.

Good lord, the last paragraph you wrote? You're going to make me tear up. MY BABIES, THAT'S THEM RIGHT THERE. ♥ OK sorry, didn't mean to get verklempt. but my baaaabies...

ayrt \o

I think part of Matt's odd friendship with Frank is that he understands exactly where Frank is coming from. All versions of Matt lost his father violently which means the empathy flows freely when it comes to Frank's family. But Matt also understands that isn't just about losing the people you love and who loved you back; it's about the fires of rage that those deaths lit under both of them and the lengths it drives them to. Matt found a decent way to channel that in his law work but Frank was only ever a soldier and he didn't have Matt's youth and adaptability when the wife and kids died. So on that level the partnership works - Matt can't bring himself to turn Frank away and Frank can't leave the only kindred spirit that he's ever found. (I mean, I read The Omega Drive too and I know Frank has a sidekick/partner in that one but she leaves. Matt would never do that to Frank, at least not while they're on the job. Which brings me to my next point...)

I've thought for a while that Matt is really Frank's overworked and underappreciated Work Wife. "Fraaaank I told you to bring rubber bullets for this one!" "Oh fer Christ's sake Matty it's always somethin' with you!"

If these two were to actually start courting it would be something like out of an 80s movie. Frank is that guy who pulls up on his motorcycle in front of the house at three in the morning and calls Matt out. "You comin' out altar boy?"

"My father told me about you Frank Castle! I know what kind of a man you are!"

"Yeah. But are you comin' out?"

And Matt scuttles down the drain pipe and snuggles up behind Frank in under a minute. For some reason he's wearing shoes imagine that!!!!

OP:

I'm really into the interpretation of Matt being the Work Wife who always tries to keep Frank in line. His first recourse is normally violence, because he's Daredevil and Frank's the Punisher and that's what they do. But he also does his best to appeal to Frank's logic and humanity, two traits that I think a lot of heroes don't believe Frank possesses at all.

Something that I find really interesting about the Powerless AU is that Matt gets to Frank BEFORE he's killed anybody, and interacting with him actually gets Frank to realize that he doesn't have to kill people (see this gut-wrenching conversation: http://tmblr.co/Z8kWer1o7GUog). This is so heartbreaking because Frank believing in himself and having hope for the future is his version of being "powerless." (...and then, of course, everything goes to shit, but I won't spoil it for you if you haven't read it.) But the only reason he was able to realize that about himself was because Matt saw the good in him when no one else would. Matt's the only one who could ever have a chance to push Frank towards a different path, and I think that some fundamental understanding of that is what drives him to try again and again to redeem Frank.

BTW Gaaah did you have to mention motorcycles? I know nothing about them except what I know from this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kJdrfzjAg) and now it's giving me Frank/Matt feels, how do you do that?

"Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme." ;) Although for this pairing, black hair and red leather would work pretty okay, too...

Hee! Their 80's courtship! ♥

(Also, yes, Frank's partner in the Omega Drive crossover wasn't exactly trustworthy after all, and to have Frank be the one who brings the traitor to the party, the one who puts Matt in imminent danger when Frank was the one who swore to protect him? I've always wanted a story about that from Frank's perspective in the aftermath because I'm so sure he didn't take that well.)

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