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Re: G. K. Chesterton on themes near and dear to Daredevil
(Anonymous) 2016-01-16 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)SA, back again to torment you further.
Here are a couple Chesterton quotes from some of his pieces for the Illustrated London News. (I heard the first one and thought, "Daredevil!" Though I don't know if it applies more to Matt or to Stick.)
Because the vigilante and the lawyer are not, after all, so very far apart:
And one that'll probably perk a few people on here right up:
Here are a couple Chesterton quotes from some of his pieces for the Illustrated London News. (I heard the first one and thought, "Daredevil!" Though I don't know if it applies more to Matt or to Stick.)
The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.
Because the vigilante and the lawyer are not, after all, so very far apart:
Reason is always a kind of brute force; those who appeal to the head rather than the heart, however pallid and polite, are necessarily men of violence. We speak of 'touching' a man's heart, but we can do nothing to his head but hit it.
And one that'll probably perk a few people on here right up:
The first two facts which a healthy boy or girl feels about sex are these: first that it is beautiful and then that it is dangerous.
For clarification, when you say 'pointless complaining' are you referring to the people who are pointing out that the ratio between content output and the number of fans actually writing/reading it is skewed or the people saying that everyone is getting on their case because they like slave fic? Which one of these arguments is pointless?
Because to me, that's the point of the Discussion post. It's there so we can discuss things.
Because to me, that's the point of the Discussion post. It's there so we can discuss things.
bless you and bless your cow, anon.
If that were true there wouldn't be all the current delicious slave Matt fics happening in fandom, right?
fyi, if you read through the comments on the slave fic threads, you'll see that quite a few of them ARE being written by the same authors. Saying that there's only three-ish people writing it isn't a wild assumption.
fyi, if you read through the comments on the slave fic threads, you'll see that quite a few of them ARE being written by the same authors. Saying that there's only three-ish people writing it isn't a wild assumption.
So, I'm curious now. How old is everyone on this meme?
Ohhh have you jumped into the Chucklevoodoos' wagon? Those fics are pure art. Not sick fics per say but they are fluf heaven.
http://archiveofourown.org/users/ChuckleVoodoos/pseuds/ChuckleVoodoos
Also here is another one
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5648002
http://archiveofourown.org/users/ChuckleVoodoos/pseuds/ChuckleVoodoos
Also here is another one
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5648002
yaaass anon, excellent points and i totally agree *cheering you on*
Just say thanks to the nice parts of the comment and move on. If they're pushy, don't reply. That's my MO.
I'm also curious, if anyone is under 18 is it even legal for this place to stay around if they say so?
i.e. I'm not sure how much honesty you can get with this survey.
i.e. I'm not sure how much honesty you can get with this survey.
you know sometimes people just get into it and get excited and post what if x,y,z, were to happen as a part of playing along with the story, right?
Its usually not an outright I want this to happen thing. :)
Its usually not an outright I want this to happen thing. :)
Also, why would you advise people who have either a legitimate grievance or legitimate issue to talk about it in a place where nobody involved would be able to know about it and thus be aware?
Like, it seems like there are actually constructive things being said here about people's motivations for discussing the number of slavefic fillers, how they came to the meme, and how we can all get along.
If somebody had gone off and just bitched on Tumblr, then nobody would have a chance to air things out and figure out why we're all so tense about it.
I kind of like that the slave AU people have had a chance to express here why they came here and how much they love our meme, that people who maybe didn't realize they were coming off as passive aggressive have a chance to explain what they really meant, and that we can talk about things like warnings, flat meme vs. threaded, and what this post is for in a place where those conversations have an impact.
And personally, I would much rather have people bitch about anything related to me here so I know it's going on than find out about it through someone else on Tumblr. One is much, much ruder imho. Because "other places" are often just as public as the meme at the end of the day.
Like, it seems like there are actually constructive things being said here about people's motivations for discussing the number of slavefic fillers, how they came to the meme, and how we can all get along.
If somebody had gone off and just bitched on Tumblr, then nobody would have a chance to air things out and figure out why we're all so tense about it.
I kind of like that the slave AU people have had a chance to express here why they came here and how much they love our meme, that people who maybe didn't realize they were coming off as passive aggressive have a chance to explain what they really meant, and that we can talk about things like warnings, flat meme vs. threaded, and what this post is for in a place where those conversations have an impact.
And personally, I would much rather have people bitch about anything related to me here so I know it's going on than find out about it through someone else on Tumblr. One is much, much ruder imho. Because "other places" are often just as public as the meme at the end of the day.
Hm. So if there is any reason at all you can't say your age here, then just reply "can't say."
+100000
I think one of the big reasons why slavefic has caused so much tension is because we haven't cleared the air about warnings, flatmeme, and subject titles. Fandom exists over a lot of platforms, all with its own conventions and silent rules, and it's impossible to expect everyone to be on the same page immediately. I think this whole discussion will go a long way towards avoiding possible future conflicts too.
I think one of the big reasons why slavefic has caused so much tension is because we haven't cleared the air about warnings, flatmeme, and subject titles. Fandom exists over a lot of platforms, all with its own conventions and silent rules, and it's impossible to expect everyone to be on the same page immediately. I think this whole discussion will go a long way towards avoiding possible future conflicts too.
27 (different anon to the anon above ftr)
Oops, pretend I replied to the right comment guys.
But see, that's the thing. People complain subtly here, and then complain loudly over on their Tumblr, and it's like... we're a small fandom, y'know? I'm pretty sure we all follow each other on Tumblr. So you pair the type of discussions that happen here with the outright disdain on Tumblr and you start to get the full picture.
(I mean, people have the right to complain, I know that. I'm just trying to explain how people might've reached the conclusion that some of the comments here carry a subtle hostility toward a certain kink and certain authors who are writing those fics)
(I mean, people have the right to complain, I know that. I'm just trying to explain how people might've reached the conclusion that some of the comments here carry a subtle hostility toward a certain kink and certain authors who are writing those fics)
...huh. You know, that flatmeme thing might be something to look into.
If a slavefic fan is new to the meme, or just doesn’t get/use flatmeme, then that might explain why some of them feel like the comments of 'wow, there's a lot of slavefic' are some sort of unprovoked attack rather than it being like someone saying 'wow, it's really windy today'.
Because in threaded view, it's like you're in your own little house doing your own thing while people in neighboring threads do *their* thing and all of it is mostly separate and self-contained. Commenting on a thread explosion in that kind of environment looks a lot more like sour grapes, especially since you could easily ignore it if you wanted to.
While in flatmeme NOTHING is separate. You get everything all the time, whether you like what's on offer or not. And what flatmemers have been getting the last few months is 100k+ worth of slavefic when for all of the year before that slavefic wasn't even a blip on the radar. That's blink worthy at *least.*
And then the follow up question becomes 'so who's doing all this writing?' And the answer is, 'a relatively small group (in comparison to all the content that's being created) of slavefic fans.' And that's not a judgement. It’s just a mystery solved.
If a slavefic fan is new to the meme, or just doesn’t get/use flatmeme, then that might explain why some of them feel like the comments of 'wow, there's a lot of slavefic' are some sort of unprovoked attack rather than it being like someone saying 'wow, it's really windy today'.
Because in threaded view, it's like you're in your own little house doing your own thing while people in neighboring threads do *their* thing and all of it is mostly separate and self-contained. Commenting on a thread explosion in that kind of environment looks a lot more like sour grapes, especially since you could easily ignore it if you wanted to.
While in flatmeme NOTHING is separate. You get everything all the time, whether you like what's on offer or not. And what flatmemers have been getting the last few months is 100k+ worth of slavefic when for all of the year before that slavefic wasn't even a blip on the radar. That's blink worthy at *least.*
And then the follow up question becomes 'so who's doing all this writing?' And the answer is, 'a relatively small group (in comparison to all the content that's being created) of slavefic fans.' And that's not a judgement. It’s just a mystery solved.
What outright disdain on Tumblr? Cuz you're right, this group does tend to run in the same circles and I haven't seen any of that.
Seriously though, I think "reached the conclusion" is the key phrase here. Ya'll are making serious assumptions about malicious intent. It's a defensive reflex, okay, but it's wrong. Which others have tried to explain but all that seems to be getting across to the other side is that non-slavefic fans are being passive-agressive in their hate. Which, no.
(and let's be real, okay, there's probably no such thing as a purely non-slavefic fan on this meme anymore for the simple reason that there has been nothing else to read for a while. <--- and that is said with ZERO hostility, because we all know by this point how crap we all are at reading tone online.)
(and let's be real, okay, there's probably no such thing as a purely non-slavefic fan on this meme anymore for the simple reason that there has been nothing else to read for a while. <--- and that is said with ZERO hostility, because we all know by this point how crap we all are at reading tone online.)
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