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AYRT: I'm learning what works for me as a writer, too, and it's funny, because it's just about exactly the opposite of what works for me as a reader.
I adore long fics! I love it when people go crazy with AUs and crossovers! And yet I am having so much trouble writing my long fic and try to make everything as canon-compliant as possible, within the bounds of what's required for my fic.
(I also adore fic that is canon-compliant and in-character and short, but it has to be absolutely pitch-perfect, which my drivel will never be. I'd hate to apply my standards to my own writing!)
I adore long fics! I love it when people go crazy with AUs and crossovers! And yet I am having so much trouble writing my long fic and try to make everything as canon-compliant as possible, within the bounds of what's required for my fic.
(I also adore fic that is canon-compliant and in-character and short, but it has to be absolutely pitch-perfect, which my drivel will never be. I'd hate to apply my standards to my own writing!)
I feel you, anon.
Currently halfway through a sequel to (what was supposed to be) a short "hit-and-run" one-shot. You know... the kind where horrible life-altering things happen to the characters? Yeah, one of my readers convinced me to write a sequel to that, because "But what happens next????" and I swear, I am never going to allow myself to fall into this trap again! The subject matter is sooooo emotionally draining, especially since I've gone for the most realistic approach.
Ugh. I'm just so tired of looking at it and thinking about it. I have a rough draft of over 20,000 words written for the final 4 chapters, but I think about all the edits I need to make and scenes that still need to be written and I feel so hopeless.
Also, rant time: I spend a long time working on each chapter, but barely get any comments in response (even though I know I have at least 300 regular readers). Ugh. I always feel depressed after I post a new chapter because of this.
(I also have lost interest in the show too, tbh, and I think a lot of others have also, if the slow-down of fic is any indication. But I hate to leave it unfinished....)
Currently halfway through a sequel to (what was supposed to be) a short "hit-and-run" one-shot. You know... the kind where horrible life-altering things happen to the characters? Yeah, one of my readers convinced me to write a sequel to that, because "But what happens next????" and I swear, I am never going to allow myself to fall into this trap again! The subject matter is sooooo emotionally draining, especially since I've gone for the most realistic approach.
Ugh. I'm just so tired of looking at it and thinking about it. I have a rough draft of over 20,000 words written for the final 4 chapters, but I think about all the edits I need to make and scenes that still need to be written and I feel so hopeless.
Also, rant time: I spend a long time working on each chapter, but barely get any comments in response (even though I know I have at least 300 regular readers). Ugh. I always feel depressed after I post a new chapter because of this.
(I also have lost interest in the show too, tbh, and I think a lot of others have also, if the slow-down of fic is any indication. But I hate to leave it unfinished....)
THIS. This this this. You do not make children the keepers of adult problems.
I have so many issues with Jack, ngl. Instead of being an adult and sucking it up and dealing with his situation like everyone else who has to work a shitty or degrading job to make a living, he chose to get himself killed for a lump sum of money, because.... because why? His pride was hurt and he couldn't stand the thought of his kid thinking he was a loser? I'm sure Matt would have preferred having a loser dad than a dead one. /rant
I have so many issues with Jack, ngl. Instead of being an adult and sucking it up and dealing with his situation like everyone else who has to work a shitty or degrading job to make a living, he chose to get himself killed for a lump sum of money, because.... because why? His pride was hurt and he couldn't stand the thought of his kid thinking he was a loser? I'm sure Matt would have preferred having a loser dad than a dead one. /rant
Hopefully things will pick up again around the holidays, and when Jessica Jones releases!
Okay, I'm not going to say Jack was in the right in everything he did, and particularly not in the face-stitching scene, but I think you're cutting him a little short, here.
I think Jack sees himself as being at a crossroads, when it comes to fighting Creel: He can continue doing what he had been doing, take the money and lose, but that doesn't mean that things will stay the same. For one thing, Matty clearly knows or at least suspects what's going on, now. He doesn't care about his kid seeing him as a loser, but he does care that his son not see him as crooked. He wants better for smart, idealistic little Matty than that: he doesn't want him to see his dad as nothing more than a cog in the rigged machine. So he finally draws a moral line he should have drawn earlier. That's not necessarily bad parenting. (He also probably hoped, despite his preparation, that the story would have a different ending.)
The other thing that has changed in his situation (being paid to throw fights) is that his "employers" have identified Matt as leverage, and how long will he live in an atmosphere of fear for what they would do to Matt if he doesn't buckle under? How long until they switch from the carrot (monetary gain) to the stick (threatening Matt, hurting Matt, etc.)? Whereas, if he disobeys right away, Matt won't be in any danger from them at all. They'll go after him for his defiance, not his blind son who's nowhere near the fight. That lump sum of money may not be much, but it's a better future than being easy leverage for ol' Fighting Jack Murdock.
I think Jack sees himself as being at a crossroads, when it comes to fighting Creel: He can continue doing what he had been doing, take the money and lose, but that doesn't mean that things will stay the same. For one thing, Matty clearly knows or at least suspects what's going on, now. He doesn't care about his kid seeing him as a loser, but he does care that his son not see him as crooked. He wants better for smart, idealistic little Matty than that: he doesn't want him to see his dad as nothing more than a cog in the rigged machine. So he finally draws a moral line he should have drawn earlier. That's not necessarily bad parenting. (He also probably hoped, despite his preparation, that the story would have a different ending.)
The other thing that has changed in his situation (being paid to throw fights) is that his "employers" have identified Matt as leverage, and how long will he live in an atmosphere of fear for what they would do to Matt if he doesn't buckle under? How long until they switch from the carrot (monetary gain) to the stick (threatening Matt, hurting Matt, etc.)? Whereas, if he disobeys right away, Matt won't be in any danger from them at all. They'll go after him for his defiance, not his blind son who's nowhere near the fight. That lump sum of money may not be much, but it's a better future than being easy leverage for ol' Fighting Jack Murdock.
AYRT
Cool, It's always interesting to hear how traditions and practices change and evolve.
My dad's church had 'the big gulp of Christ' as he called it. They rubbed the edge with a cloth between users, but everyone knew it didn't really do anything for germs.
Apparently these are now a thing, too
http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Individual-Communion-Wafer-Juice/dp/B0075O2IPY
Cool, It's always interesting to hear how traditions and practices change and evolve.
My dad's church had 'the big gulp of Christ' as he called it. They rubbed the edge with a cloth between users, but everyone knew it didn't really do anything for germs.
Apparently these are now a thing, too
http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Individual-Communion-Wafer-Juice/dp/B0075O2IPY
It's the follow up to 'here's a quarter, don't spend it all at once'
OP here, Jäger is like cough syrup. Also, my nana would give me a dollar.
Oh, I don't know that one.
I've abandoned it atm :(... but as others said, to leave it there unfinished, it's just no right.
I need closure but I'm stuck because of sex scenes... uhg *headbangs*
I need closure but I'm stuck because of sex scenes... uhg *headbangs*
Also, Matt could have very reasonably graduated high school a couple of years late. I imagine he missed quite a lot of school after the accident, and later after Jack died, when his senses really kicked into overdrive.
Not really for writing, but I've watched the show around three dozen times... because I have no life and I have issues.
I started reading comics in the 80s, starting with G.I.Joe, settling on Marvel's myriad mutant titles and Daredevil, and eventually branching out to some occasional manga and Image titles. I probably started reading DD in 87ish, and read it until the early 00s, when I couldn't afford to feed the addiction anymore.
After watching the show, I got a Marvel Unlimited account and went to town.
Now I'm probably reading more titles than I did back in the height of my collecting days.
After watching the show, I got a Marvel Unlimited account and went to town.
Now I'm probably reading more titles than I did back in the height of my collecting days.
+1
I also read the exchange in the gym as implicitly threatening Matt.
I also read the exchange in the gym as implicitly threatening Matt.
Ooh, which fic?
(Does there NEED to be sex scenes, per se? If it's something you don't want to write, maybe to a fade to black? Or, maybe just skip over those scenes and save writing them for last?)
(Does there NEED to be sex scenes, per se? If it's something you don't want to write, maybe to a fade to black? Or, maybe just skip over those scenes and save writing them for last?)
There's nothing wrong with taking a break from writing. If you've already got 20,000 words written for your final chapter, I'd say you've already done most of the heavy lifting already. Step away from it for a while and come back to it with fresh eyes. Remember why you started writing the story in the first place.
I would like to see them focus on Frank's grief and loss. The comics have reduced his murdered family to props and lots of authors just treat his loss as if it doesn't matter and that Frank is "just" a crazy psycho killer who is TEH EBULS.
Frank is a bad, bad man, but there's reason and motive behind what he does: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEOTB696WZU This psychologist identifies it as "complicated grief." I'd love it if the show actually went into depth on that.
Frank is not in the right but there are logical reasons behind what he does. I don't want him reduced to a mindless killer.
Frank is a bad, bad man, but there's reason and motive behind what he does: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dEOTB696WZU This psychologist identifies it as "complicated grief." I'd love it if the show actually went into depth on that.
Frank is not in the right but there are logical reasons behind what he does. I don't want him reduced to a mindless killer.
I thought I'd mix it up a bit, and include some quotes from one of my favorite Catholic authors here. Feel free to respond to them and how they completely fail to apply, or to assume that I'm off my meds and ignore them, whichever. All quotes are from Orthodoxy.
For this next one: "Pimlico /ˈpɪmlɨkoʊ/ is a small area within central London in the City of Westminster," according to Wikipedia. So, pretty much an equivalent to, say, Hell's Kitchen.
And later in the same chapter:
The Christian admits that the universe is manifold and even miscellaneous, just as a sane man knows that he is complex. The sane man knows that he has a touch of the beast, a touch of the devil, a touch of the saint, a touch of the citizen. Nay, the really sane man knows that he has a touch of the madman.
For this next one: "Pimlico /ˈpɪmlɨkoʊ/ is a small area within central London in the City of Westminster," according to Wikipedia. So, pretty much an equivalent to, say, Hell's Kitchen.
Let us suppose we are confronted with a desperate thing—say Pimlico. If we think what is really best for Pimlico we shall find the thread of thought leads to the throne of the mystic and the arbitary. It is not enough for a man to disapprove of Pimlico: in that case he will merely cut his throat or move to Chelsea. Nor, certainly, is it enough for a man to approve of Pimlico: for then it will remain Pimlico, which would be awful. The only way out of it seems to be for somebody to love Pimlico: to love it with a transcendental tie and without any earthly reason. If there arose a man who loved Pimlico, then Pimlico would rise into ivory towers and golden pinnacles; Pimlico would attire herself as a woman does when she is loved. For decoration is not given to hide horrible things; but to decorate things already adorable. A mother does not give her child a blue bow because he is so ugly without it. A lover does not give a girl a necklace to hide her neck. If men loved Pimlico as mothers love children, arbitarily, because it is theirs, Pimlico in a year or two might be fairer than Florence. Some readers will say that this is a mere fantasy. I answer that this is the actual history of mankind. This, as a fact, is how cities did grow great. Go back to the darkest roots of civilisation and you will find them knotted round some sacred stone or encircling some sacred well. People first paid honour to a spot and afterwards gained glory for it. Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her.
And later in the same chapter:
...I read a solemn flippancy by some free thinker: he said that a suicide was only the same as a martyr. The open fallacy of this helped to clear the question. Obviously a suicide is the opposite of a martyr. A martyr is a man who cares so much for something outside him, that he forgets his own personal life. A suicide is a man who cares so little for anything outside him, that he wants to see the last of everything. One wants something to begin: the other wants everything to end. In other words, the martyr is noble, exactly because (however he renounces the world or execrates all humanity) he confesses this ultimate link with life; he sets his heart outside himself: he dies that something may live. The suicide is ignoble because he has not this link with being: he is a mere destroyer; spiritually, he destroys the universe. And then I remembered the stake and the cross-roads, and the queer fact that Christianity had shown this weird harshness to the suicide. For Christianity had shown a wild encouragement of the martyr. Historic Christianity was accused, not entirely without reason, of carrying martyrdom and asceticism to a point, desolate and pessimistic. The early Christian martyrs talked of death with a horrible happiness. They blasphemed the beautiful duties of the body: they smelt the grave afar off like a field of flowers. All this has seemed to many the very poetry of pessimism. Yet there is the stake at the cross-roads to show what Christianity thought of the pessimist.
What is it??? And why does he want Matt, specifically, for it?
Like, is it a comics thing, or is it just for the MCU/Defender's lead up? Why did Stick single Matt out in the comics anyway?
Like, is it a comics thing, or is it just for the MCU/Defender's lead up? Why did Stick single Matt out in the comics anyway?
I think it's a Hand vs Chaste thing from the comics (something something martial arts, eastern magic, demons). How that will fit in with the show's tone and genre, which is more a crime noir, is a pretty good question. I don't read the comics so I'm not sure why Stick has singled Matt out.
Miller's 'Man Without Fear' explains it like this (slightly paraphrased)
Stone: " we protect the world from the forces of ~Mystic Darkness~.... There are two 'Adepts' born in this generation... blah blah Elektra is infected with ~Dark Ways~, Murdock is our only hope."
Stone: " we protect the world from the forces of ~Mystic Darkness~.... There are two 'Adepts' born in this generation... blah blah Elektra is infected with ~Dark Ways~, Murdock is our only hope."
SA
The show differs a lot. In Miller's version Stick had been stalking Matt even before the accident.
The comic has no mention of Stick 'working with other troubled children'. So either MCU Stick was bullshitting the nuns, or he's been working his way through kids with SPDs to find any with genuine supersenses. (And could theoretically have an army of failed child soldiers hiding out in a sewer somewhere)
The show differs a lot. In Miller's version Stick had been stalking Matt even before the accident.
The comic has no mention of Stick 'working with other troubled children'. So either MCU Stick was bullshitting the nuns, or he's been working his way through kids with SPDs to find any with genuine supersenses. (And could theoretically have an army of failed child soldiers hiding out in a sewer somewhere)
It doesn't say. I'm working through the rest of it now to see if Elektra will shed any light on the subject
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