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Nah, that was more my Immediate Vibe than anything. I don't think he was explicitly psychotic, though definitely explicitly mentally ill like Jessica.

I do think there were some hints of psychosis throughout. Probably related to trauma. I've watched some more bits and pieces (while playing Neopets in the other tab lol) and it was really the last episode that seemed to push the line into 'he has a complicated relationship with the world' into 'his relationship with reality is slightly tenuous', but to be fair there was clearly a lot of stress. In that episode there was the whole thing where he'd check out and the entire world would kind of...skip like a scratched video or something, which came off as a little 'alteration of reality in a hallucination-y way'. And at one point he saw some kind of red lights while he was on the roof and saw the dragon's red eyes instead, which seemed to me like kind of a "PTSD with the occasional psychotic feature" thing. (I'm sure that red streetlights are super fun for him.)

Obviously that also had to do with his trying to Center Himself, but his trying to Center Himself came off far less like meditating and more like Trying to Make the Evil Thoughts Go Away'.

And idk, I just got a thought disorder vibe from him? I don't know. It can all be explained by trauma/CPTSD and some more really, really bad anxiety (mixed with those anger issues too, damn, though I figure those are a manifestation of anxiety too). Also, there's clearly some culture shock coming into it too, because a lot of the confusion could also do with floundering in the 'real world', as in, not being so completely isolated, and there's obviously also kind of the fucked up 'he is a weapon and a tool, not a person' thing, so that probably had some effect on his psyche. Basically, lots of things have had an effect on his psyche, and I think that extreme stress did push him to show some psychotic features. Idk, I just remembered a Certain Experience of mine and thought 'aw, poor thing, been there, done that', but mostly on the emotional front.

But also it has to be noted that the mental weirdness that Danny has may have been seen differently in K'un Lun because of cultural differences. Like, even hallucinations may not be that big a deal if they're relatively harmless, or could be helpful. (I'm pretty sure that in one of the episodes I didn't watch he does, in fact, talk to an imagined teacher, but idk.)

Idk, I think his relationship with reality has been manipulated a lot by outside forces. It's very interesting. I'm so sorry to spend like thirty years rambling about it. It's really more throwing out ideas than anything? Nothing I think right now is writ in stone since he's a very new character to me, I just latched onto him as an Interesting Case Study.

I really, really like doing armchair psych with fictional characters, if it's not obvious.

He does talk to an imagined teacher in one episode! But that might also be the episode where he's drugged by the spider lady he's fighting? Don't remember which came first.

Also yes, there's that... snow effect, I guess you could call it? Kinda seems like dissociation.

I think I made notes on some of his behaviours, esp anger, during my watch through, I'll have to dig them up and see what I said, cause I don't really want to commit to a complete rewatch, but need to know.

And don't worry, I love this sort of thing. Jessica is definitely mentally ill, with PTSD, and Matt too probably, and a mood disorder (which is very evident in the comics) and I haven't thought too much about Luke. Honestly he's the most mentally well of all of them.

... okay I'm probably going to need to rewatch Iron Fist, or at least skim it, cause this is gonna nag at me otherwise.

Yeah, see, I think that things like talking to a hallucination-teacher and being, like, chill about it even if he's not supposed to be there might be a cultural difference there. Like, it's not weird to him because people may very well be totally cool with talking to imagined people who help them out in K'un Lun. It's like how in screening tests for psychological issues there's a part that asks "do you believe in spirits?" and stuff like that, which ends up being a red herring red flag when there are people who just culturally believe in stuff like that (like a lot of Latino people). I actually think that that would be a pretty interesting thing to explore, huh.

The anger is so explosive, it's really alarming. Like, there isn't any reasoning with him if he's set off hard enough (like in the scene in The Defenders where he literally gets into a fight with his own team while they actively try to defuse him; Claire even says in one of the scenes in his own show that he "went nuclear" at some point). I think it's anxiety based? Especially with the shaking. Like, damn, I thought Matt had anger issues, but at least he can just throw a couple things and get over it.

And yes! Dissociation! I think his dissociation had to do with the trying to center himself thing, which, once it was shown as the snow effect thing, just makes me think his 'centering himself' is just active attempts at dissociation.

Yeah, I haven't seen any of Jessica's show after the first episode, even for skimming, but I do know that she's explicitly got PTSD, with the street names and everything. And wow, she is an alcoholic. Like, she's a really, impressively functional alcoholic (does she have a higher tolerance because of her powers?), but an alcoholic. And Matt definitely has PTSD, and I think that his mood disorder in the MCU is depression, which he definitely has. Luke is honestly pretty stable; at least the most stable out of all of them. He's definitely got trauma, but I don't think he has PTSD. He's really worked through his shit, honestly, and I think that Helping People helps keep him stable. In any case, I do think that at least Jess and Danny's mental health issues are canon, and Matt's are heaaaavily implied.

Haha, literally the only reason I watched ANY of Iron Fist was because I went through the TV Tropes page and saw that Danny's got 'Ambiguous Disorder' under his character description and that apparently it got more obvious in the last episode, and I got curious. And then I wanted to see more of Claire, who is really worried and horrified at everything, and totally a hero.

Lol who DOESN'T love debating some fictional psychology

Yes! That whole cultural thing, which would be super cool to examine, even with the limited knowledge of what we have about K'un Lun. Cause all we really have is what's shown in flashbacks and what Danny tells other people, which is influenced by his perception of it, which... may not be entirely accurate.

Maybe Matt could help Danny with some of these anger issues? I mean, he hasn't really done anything about his, but he's less destructive I guess?

LISTEN DANNY, actively dissociating is really not a good coping mechanism. I mean, it might have been in K'un Lun when you literally had no other choice, but now you should probably switch that up for something else.

OH MAN JESSICA AND HER FUNCTIONAL ALCOHOLISM. It's definitely a way of self medicating, and I really think that she has a higher tolerance to alcohol, just like Steve Rogers does.

(PS if you want to continue this discussion instead of... this, you can find me on tumblr at ijustreallylovedaredevil)

unfortunately, i do not have a tumblr :/
deanoning, but you can find me on gmail at telm393@gmail.com

Okay, entirely different, new-to-the-thread anon here, but if you're Telm393 over @ ao3 also, your Les Mis & Mag 7 fics are amazing & you should absolutely fill this prompt if you have a chance, you'd do awesome.

Also, if I may butt into the thread (it's the best thread), yessss to all the messed-up Danny/messed-up Defenders prompts forever. Honestly, I kind of read Matt's mood disorder as bipolar (parts of it look a lot like mine does, so I'm a bit biased), but Jessica & Danny have so many issues too (and how great is it that the most stable of the bunch is the guy who's been in prison?). I love the idea of them banding together to help him out (whether he thinks he needs it or not)-not just because he's just a bit farther out, reality-wise, than them, sometimes, but also there's a sense of him being younger--they're already messed up, but there's still some hope for him in the future, maybe--not to live an entirely normal life, but to have a better one.

other anon, not telm here, but yessss to Matt being bipolar. I've got a fic where he's bipolar that I'm working on, and another where he's depressed and Foggy is bipolar, and just a lot of Feelings on the topic.

(Yep, that's me! Thank you so much! Also, I'm already planning this out lol I'm totally writing it, I hope the OP doesn't mind that it kind of spiraled into Mental Health and How Much The Defenders Don't Have It. It'll definitely fit the prompt, though.) Omg I love all of this! And yeah, I see Matt's mood disorder as unipolar depression, but I can see it as bipolar too. And I agree with you that there could very well be some 'he's still young, he can be less fucked up than we are' going on there.

(Also, if you want to keep talking about this, you can also shoot me an email lol, especially since I want to know what you see of bipolar in Matt. Anyone can email me if they want! I feel bad for sorta hijacking this thread. I'M GONNA FILL IT, OP, DON'T WORRY.)

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