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Re: Quick post-s2 thoughts

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no worries about your language, it's fine, we're all here from around the world which is awesome. :)

Yes, the way things fell apart for all of them isn't purely Matt Murdock's fault, not anymore because Foggy made the decision to come back into Matt's life and be his supporting friend and business partner even knowing all his issues, now Foggy is implicit in everything DD does but Foggy made that choice, he's there because he wants to be. But a lot of people want to put ALL the blame on Matt because he's the one making the choice to be DD, but I think that's the exact mistake Foggy is guilty of making.

The Matt Foggy issues are like... in a marriage when one partner has hurt the other one in some way and the trust is broken, but they love each other enough to try again. So they talk and there are some rules established and they get back together and work on their relationship, but... the hurt partner never stops making the other one pay for having hurt them, there are constant digs and reminders about how they fucked up, and they hold their continued presence and forgiveness over the head of the other one constantly reminding them that YOU ARE A FUCK UP NUTJOB, and the one who fucked up ends up distancing themselves more and more because even though they both love each other, it's almost like they're kept around so they can be kicked daily, like they're made to pay penance because they fucked up that one time. And that very anger and distance is what chips away at their relationship the second time around. It IS Matt's fault again for not confiding in Foggy about Elektra, especially since she obviously hurt Matt so badly the first time around (and kind of ironic that Matt always seems to come back around to get kicked by people and not get away from them, to just let them hurt him over and over again, maybe he's more of a masochist than we think or is he just that needy that if someone loves him once he'll stay in an unhealthy relationship forever?) but I feel like if Foggy had been willing to accept and forgive Matt for fucking up the first time and not extract a death by a thousand cuts for a year (sorry, showrunners say it was a year between s1 and s2, not 6 months, which makes me facepalm even harder), if he'd actually accepted Matt for who he is without wanting to change Matt, maybe Matt wouldn't have kept that Elektra secret at all. Maybe he'd have been willing to be more open to Foggy. But, maybe not, there's no way to know since it all went to shit so fast. Matt and Foggy definitely needed serious therapy after the last season, they both jumped the gun on getting back together and it kind of blew up in their faces.

You might be right about The Defenders angle. I'm hoping we get a s3. SOMEBODY on the show mentioned how this season is similar to the Empire Strikes Back, and wow, I didn't think they'd go this far but they were fearless to be so brutal with all the characters. Not one character got anything they really wanted, nobody. Foggy wants Matt and he's not getting him, Matt wanted Elektra and she's dead, and Karen wanted so badly for Frank to prove to her that she's not a monster (and she did the same shit to him that Foggy did with Matt, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER OR I'M OUT, and Frank responded in the same way Matt did with the YOU DO YOU LET ME BE ME - seriously, what did they expect?), and he destroyed that vicarious hope which left Karen sobbing alone. Lots of parallels here between the characters, lot of similar desires, similar faults, lots of incomplete threads, but LOTS of character growth too. It's a sad ending to the season, but it's not the end of the DD story, not at all. They're just going through a rough patch. A very rough patch. ;) And I can't help but think that Netflix knew what they planned for this season and already greenlit a s3 somewhere in order to do this season this way.

Ugh, sorry so wordy. Apparently I have a lot of emotions about this.