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Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

yep. all fandoms, really. how many other characters -- not even minor ones, im talking main characters-- do we have in the show to pair matt with, including an actual canon one from the comics (like karen, who's basically his greatest love), or ones he's actually had something with in the show (like claire, with whom the chemistry is unparalleled), and yet somehow it always goes back to the white male friend with the excuse that "oh i just prefer it." it's one thing if a portion of ppl do, but when, for example, a kinkmeme is 99% that white m/m ship then it's not just personal preference anymore, and more a symptom of a bigger problem (that ppl might not even be cognizant of it themselves, but that is still an issue nonetheless).

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

but like.

We got Matt/Claire. They were canon. If you like Matt/Claire (which I do), you have the privilege of watching the actual show to get your fix. And Matt/Karen - look, very few people are in doubt that they're going to be canon at some point, too, particularly with their comics history and that date-y screenshot from Season 2 filming floating around.

Even if you don't like that particular pairing (which I don't, ykinmk) it's hard to deny that's where TPTB are going. But that's the point. Matt/Karen fans are going to get to see their ship developed on screen. Matt/Foggy fans? Not in a million years.

The m/m ships are never going to happen in canon. They're just not, particularly when one participant is the main male lead. But we can make them happen here. (Over and over and over, yes please.)

And that's a part of it, too, I think - fic is about asking, 'but what if...?' and having the freedom to write the story your way, in a direction canon will never go. Matt/Claire, Matt/Karen ... canon either has or will answer those questions for us. There's not as much thrill there.

But hey, ymmv.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

but we have fanfic because the show isn't enough. that's why fan fiction exists. lke wtf?

I have never seen the line "well m/m just isn't ever going to happen and so THAT's why there's so much fanfic for it." but I think it's such bullshit and vaguely condescending toward anyone who ships cannon ships regardless of if they are m/f f/f or m/m.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[lamashtar]

You sound like the people who complain there isn't enough of the ship you prefer.

Its well known that some shows, no matter how good, don't generate fanfic. Because they answer all the questions. There are no 'between the scenes' moments to take advantage of. Ironically, the better the show, the less romance fanfic. Homoerotic subtext that gets turned into slash is rife in shows where there is tease but no payoff.

As for Matt/Foggy, the relationship is closer and longer lasting than any other relationship these two have. I think I'm one of the few people who wrote a sex scene for Matt's wife Milla, and even I ship Matt/Foggy over Matt/female companion of the week.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

The kinkmeme didn't start out that way. Which brings me to what a fucking shit hose dream width's API is and how pissed I am that I need to learn web scrapping to get any useful statistics about HOW the kinkmeme has changed over time.

Gripe gripe gripe.