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if anything, i really hope that they open up on what happened to karen in the past, because i agree with you, she was an expert shot with a gun (she was also incredibly brave to go back to her apartment for the flash drive, and incredibly smart to claw that one officer's eye out when he tried to strangle her. if anything, karen's extremely scrappy.

if they are planning to put her drug addiction/sex worker thing in her past, i wouldn't be against it, tbh. it's always better to see someone get back up than get knocked down. i can't say that she'll have had any involvment in porn, though, since we live in the age of the internet and presumably her employers probably would have been able to find the porn she was in with a simple google search. past drug addiction is possible, provided she passes a drug test. i think people just wouldn't be able to believe it since karen looks so put-together and obviously well-adjusted (but that could be what she's going for, ohoho)

i'd love the show to explore the possibility of foggy's (or even matt's) bisexual tendencies. i really would. i'm just not holding my breath for it because i got dragged around by bbc sherlock at a relatively young age (i'm 18 now, more or less an infant compared to some other anons on this meme), but the constant queerbaiting was just too much for someone just figuring out their own sexuality and i'm incredibly cautious about trusting this show with canonizing non-hetero characters. would i like it to happen? yes, absolutely, and this is a show on a streaming service which also featured kevin spacey full on making out with a man during a threeway which gives me infinitely more hope than the bbc or the cw, but i'm still cautious.

(don't worry about your word dump anon i'm equally as guilty of it at this point)

DA

i'd love the show to explore the possibility of foggy's (or even matt's) bisexual tendencies. i really would. i'm just not holding my breath

Yeah, I heard that Steven DeKnight wanted to have gay characters in Daredevil, but Marvel told him he couldn't. :( I didn't see a source for this, but I would not be surprised if this turned out to be true.

if i'm not recalling wrong, a recent marvel memo was leaked that insisted the recast peter parker had to be straight, so. of course i could just be misreading onion headlines as actual news, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Yes, but I think that was an old memo? But maybe you're right, maybe it's for the new Spider-Man writer's room. The new Spider-Man is supposed to be involved in Civil War, just like the comics, but I think he's only going to be 13, or something like that?

OP: The Comics Code Authority had a deathgrip over sequential art for far too long and that included filtering out any scent of teh gay, but at least Marvel was one of the first who finally stopped using it and allowing it such rampant censorship. In the 15 years since, Marvel is actually embracing the gay characters, and maybe they fuck it up sometimes but they're TRYING. They'll continue to screw up, but they're continue to learn, too. But in television media with the partnership with Disney/ABC I can't help but feel that's what will tie their hands progressively, and it's going to take longer to actually tell the same kind of out characterisations on the screen that are already available in print.

That said, I think Steven DeKnight did an AMAZING job if he was told no and still managed to say ENOUGH to convey so much between the lines. AN AMAZING JOB. :)

While I do think Karen's choices in the show have been brave, they've also been stupid just like Matt's. He calls himself out for walking into the Russian's trap as 'careless, stupid' and he's right, he says they almost caught him. He gets emotional and he loses focus. Karen, otoh, isn't losing focus because she gets emotional, she doesn't have that type of focus to begin with; she's not been trained for this, she's not considering physical 'enemies' or how to judge when she's going to be attacked or how those kind of consequences come into play. She's got Big Ideas (and a lot of neediness to see them fulfilled) but she doesn't plan for anything, and she admits she's 'a big fan of the not thinking' thing. I like Karen, but she's way out of her element and she has a skewed idea of what she can accomplish in this reality. I love her scrappiness, but I love Matt's scrapiness too, and his abilities barely see him out of the situations he puts himself into. I don't see how Karen will survive that world for much longer if she keeps playing her angles the same way.

As for the porn thing, I thought that was what her and Ben were discussing twice? He made it sound like he did some digging on her and found it right away, and it's the reason she won't post the Fisk story to the internet herself, because she said 'who will believe me once they find... what you found' to Ben. IOW Ben's credible, she's not, and she didn't want all that surfacing anyway.

Oh my dear, you are young and so SO fortunate to live in a time where you are blessed with this kind of media and support. You make me feel like reciting the tears in rain monologue from Blade Runner. I'm an older fan and I've seen fandoms come and go, fandoms with homophobic showrunners and shows with homophobic actors and I've seen slash fandoms exist before social media was a thing. What I've learned in my time? To listen to the quiet empty spaces between words, and allow my fannishness to exist there. I think of characterisations and relationships in these shows like the night sky. The bright shining specks of light equate to what's seen/said on the screen, and the dark matter of space is everything else that isn't implicitly stated. WRT sexuality, Marvel has given us the very subtle gift of options on the screen for almost every character, and coming from a place where we used to have showrunners and writing rooms straight up saying NO HOMOS, I'll take it, this is an improvement, and unless/until they ever have a character say outright, 'I'm not gay/bi/straight/X' then there's wiggle room in the sandbox for me to fictionalise whatever I want. Hallelujah. :)

Seconded regarding Marvel giving fans room to play with slash without having to come out and state anything. In the older comics, I notice so much unsubtle homoeroticism that was clearly unintended. These days, it really reads like they know what they're doing and the fans they're baiting.

The relationship between Cap and Bucky is a great example. An even better one is the science bros tag at the end of Iron Man 3.

I mean, even the AV Club review of Nelson v. Murdock makes a point of saying that a line like "Was anything between us even real?" is there for a reason.

Oh, and re: the moratorium on Spider-Man being straight? The article I read indicated that that was on Sony's no-no list as part of the agreement to lend out the rights, not Marvel's.

Marvel has plenty of great LGBT characters (even though I admit that it'll probably be a while until any of them reach the MCU in an outright stated way) including basically the entire Young Avengers team. (Which has Loki who is also extremely gender fluid as a shapeshifter. And so far the MCU has not gone out of its way to contradict this characterization at all).

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