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Please, feel free to add anything that took you a while to figure out to this list. What things only clicked later for you, whether because the show was clever or because you were just kind of stupid? (I don't think anyone has started a post like this on here yet, but please let me know if I'm wrong...) I have a couple to share:

1. Foggy's facepalming when Matt uses his "like listening to your voice" line on Karen looks like he's upset about Matt hitting on the girl he's interested in, again, when we see it in Episode 5 ("World on Fire"). We the audience know it's a line because he used a very similar one on Claire in Episode 4 ("In the Blood").

But in Episode 10 ("Nelson v. Murdock"), we learn that Foggy has asked Matt what he wants in a girl and is told, "I guess just someone I really like listening to." And Foggy doesn't know that Matt used a similar line on Claire. In retrospect, that facepalm looks more like, "Oh, Matt's actually interested in the girl I'm interested in!" (Whether that is also an "again" situation, who knows?)

To carry on from this, I maintain that Foggy's side of the weirdness in his "date" with Karen at the end of Episode 5 (the same one where Matt hit on her) is that he's half interested in her, half vetting her for Matt. He complains about Matt's weakness for beautiful, moral-less women throughout the first half of the season even more than he bemoans his own lack of relationships. I think he'd rather see Matt settled down with someone who isn't crazy than get a cute girl for himself at this point, because he isn't attracted to the same kind of toxic that Matt is. (Although he questions that after talking with Marci, hah.) And that still doesn't explain exactly what Karen thinks she's doing during their date.

2. Speaking of Marci in Episode 5, I finally feel kind of sorry for her. It's taken me this long (months!) to figure out: they set us up by talking about the sharks at Landman & Zack, and Matt warns about splashing too much, that it will attract them, and... Marci ends up throwing a bunch of stuff at Foggy's strengths (him "crashing and burning" at L&Z; "commitment issues" for a man who has set up a practice in his hometown with his law school roommate), while Foggy immediately jumps on the very real weaknesses to Marci's case. Which one's the shark here, and which the flailing swimmer? And which is the really stupid viewer? (Oooh, me, me!)

However much people (including me) like fuzzy, warm-hearted, awkward Foggy Nelson, we have to remember: this is a man who could have made it at Landman & Zack, as we learn in Episode 10. And Marci came in after him and Matt, while presumably graduating the same year; she's second choice. Those accusations she was throwing at Foggy? Start to look an awful lot like her own vulnerabilities. Blood in the water, you might even say.

Oh man those are good things that never clicked for me either! Nice work!

I think my oh man I'm an idiot moment was rewatching the last episode "Daredevil" and listening to Fisk retell the story of the Good Samaritan. And I noticed as he got to the bit about the actual Good Samaritan that it flashes to Nelson and Murdock showing first the Good Samaritan (Matt); who helped the Traveler (Karen) despite what it may cost him (Foggy). And I went OH.

AYRT: See, I never caught on to that! Nice.

SA: I mean, I caught the characterizations of Team Avocado as Samaritans, but I didn't catch anything past that.

AYRT: I might be reading more into it than is intended but the timing of who appears when what words are said is way too planned for it to be anything but? In my opinion.

Here's one that's just me being stupid. When I first heard it, I really hated Matt's line to Foggy about not being able to go back, but perhaps being able to move on, because it seemed to say that their old relationship was completely dead and unrecoverable. Also, it's a very vague and meaningless line, like "It's not about the destination, it's about the journey." (My knee-jerk reaction to that one is *always*, if you hate your destination that much, why not get a new one, because you'll still have the journey anyway).

But I did eventually realize, duh, Matt's telling Foggy what he's learned about trauma recovery. Matt's world has fallen apart (to borrow a line from Karen) several times in his life, and even Karen has had to deal with sweeping changes several times just during the course of the show. On the other hand, we aren't shown that Foggy has much experience in the way of traumatic events. So now I actually kind of like that line, because it's saying, "Let me show you, my friend, how to navigate these unfamiliar waters," which is the exact opposite of saying that their friendship is dead and gone.

Karen even calls them that, in episode one. "What, are you just a couple of good Samaritans?" Or words to that effect.

I caught that call back on maybe my fifth time watching the entire series? *love*

OP: Wow, yes, awesome mirror there, first episode to last. Way to round out a season.

(OP is obviously the dumbest person ever, and has never caught any of these, so thanks for sharing these gems.)

I absolutely love that when Matt is at the precinct (just before the shooting in the interrogation room) that he sits in front of a poster reading;
You don't have to reveal your identity to help solve violent crimes
The writing is even concealing the top part of the poster-guys face.
S01Ep05 34:21

OP: Yeah, I didn't notice that one still I started looking at screenshots. And then it's hard to miss. Very clever.

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SA: What was up with that? Were the parentheses too hard to reach, lazy fingers? No idea why I went for the angle brackets. Sorry!

I finally got to Jessica Jones episode 7 (I am just dragging myself through these eps, ugh, I rewarded myself with half an episode of Daredevil after finishing the half episode of Jessica Jones) so I made sure to look at the posters in the police scene. Sure enough, the most prominent one is the "Suicide Kills" one that talks about tension and stress. Not even slightly subtle, there, show. But kind of funny.

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