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this might be an unpopular opinion (i haven't seen much feedback yet so i'm not sure if anyone else feels this way)

i really, really enjoyed it buuuut i think it was a little over-hyped. when i first watched daredevil i was so so so desperate for more + i wanted to recommend it to absolutely everyone i came across. i really fell in love with the supporting characters as well as the lead, it just totally + completely grabbed me.

jessica jones hasn't done that, i am absolutely in love with jessica + luke but i didn't really feel either way about the other characters (honestly i think my favourite part of the whole series was claire) (killgrave excluded, dude is mad creepy!!) i can put my finger on why it didn't grab me b/c it seemed like it had the potential to. in saying all that, i'm going to re-watch it sometime in the next few weeks to see if i still feel the same way.

It might be a genre thing? Because I know that the opposite problem happened for me, where DD was really good and I loved the characters but it felt a little flat and action-y, versus JJ's film noir feel.

i did kind of want to put it down to the genre, but in saying that i'm not a fan of action-heavy media. i skip the fight scenes when i'm re-watching daredevil, they don't bother me i just don't care about/enjoy them. i think (unfortunately) it might just be a character thing?? also maybe a power/ability thing. personally, i find matt's abilities (and his character) much more complex + interesting (but i guess that's inherent, like, blinded + consequently gained super-senses vs super strength it's not a really a fair game in terms of complexity/interest) i think, even though i have no real reason to, i relate to matt + i also feel like there was more insight to matt, i kind of feel like i didn't get enough insight into jessica's life to get super invested, i think it might be that she internalises way way more than matt?? i can't even begin to work out why the supporting characters did like zero for me.

i don't know for sure if that's where it lost me but i'll for sure be giving it a second go.

Matt & co were so empathetic to the suffering of others and passionate about helping everyone else - to the detriment of themselves.

Jessica & co were... not passionate, but. Something? Determined. About helping themselves.

Like... idk, Jessica had the whole ptsd thing and history with Kilgrave but I never actually felt her rage. All these terrible things happened to her - the death of her family, getting raped and controlled by Kilgrave - and she's just so emotionally numb to all of it (which is realistic, but makes for boring TV and made ME numb to HER).

I think of it as a torta vs a whale-penis baguette. A similar concept, and both good in their own ways, but very different.

Yeah, it was boring af. Everyone seemed kind of terrible, tbh.

Like, I know Jessica is dealing with trauma and that's why she's the way she is, but I fail to grasp why I'm supposed to care about someone with such a terrible attitude. She's so... flat. Blah.

And I feel so bad for Wendy omg! I hate Jeri and her stupid secretary.

I think it's great but I don't love all the characters the same way I loved all the Daredevil characters. I kind of even cared for the well being of the Daredevil villains wheras I just wanted to rip off Kilgrave's head! I thought it was a great show on its own merits and I will definitely be tuning in for season 2 but I'm not ridiculously passionate about it. Still would recommend it to everybody though. I think it's a pretty important piece of media to exist even if it's not my favorite thing on planet earth.

I'm also kind of a ho for fight scene choreography and Catholic guilt so there's that in Daredevil's favor.

Thank you so much. I'm only halfway through episode five, but I'm forcing myself to watch, here. I'm so glad that I'm not the only one feeling bleh about it. (And the only part I'm kind of enjoying is also Jessica and Luke, even though, so far, that's been played more for skin than actual relationship stuff.)

And I don't think Jessica Jones is actually more character-driven than Daredevil. They tease back story, they hint at relationships, but so far, it is far more into *mystery,* and not the plot kind, either. It's like every character is Karen Page, with a hidden past and somewhat inscrutable motives, and she was my least favorite Daredevil character for exactly that reason. (Even then, I was willing to believe that she meant well. Not so much, here.) And the mysteries that the show is willing to delve into are the powers ones, which might be important for the larger universe but, quite frankly, aren't grabbing me. Partially, I think, because the powers aren't as intrinsic to the characters as they could be.

I love Hulk, but only when Bruce Banner is simultaneously fighting and empowering him. I love little Matty Murdock losing his sight and gaining supersenses, and his double drives to defend the innocent and punish the guilty. I wrote a five-page paper in college after watching the first X-Men movie three days in a row on how Wolverine doesn't dare think too far ahead because his powers have to do with him healing, which requires him getting hurt, so he does everything in an adrenaline rush so that he doesn't psych himself out by anticipating what will happen, while Cyclops is all about scaling back and being prudent because his power is all about destruction to others. So, yes, I love powers, but here? They don't say much about the characters, and so far, they're kind of a random grab-bag. As someone else on this thread said, this makes Jessica much less sympathetic than Matt is.

Also, I'm sick of the plot threads having to do with Jeryn, particularly as contrasted with Trish Walker. I've got the point: in Jessica Jones, there are the users and the used. Give me Foggy's butcher story any day. Please.

Sorry. Like I said, I'm only halfway through the fifth episode. They're attempting to take out Killgrave, having sedated him, and I know they're doomed to failure somehow because it is episode five, and I don't even care enough to see how. By this point in Daredevil, half of Hell's Kitchen was about to blow up, and I couldn't wait to see what was next. Hopefully I'll work up the energy to force myself through the rest of the Jessica Jones episode tomorrow. Bleh.

I'd like to say it gets more interesting to give you hope, anon, but.... :-/

(I 100% agree with you tho. All of the JJ episodes bleed together in my mind. There's nothing I want to think back on like "Oh, I want to rewatch the episode where X happened," because it's all the same monotonous boring blah).

AYRT: I'm finally on episode 6. I'm about twenty minutes in.

...Yeah. Now Luke is giving Jessica a ride home on his bike, and there's a somewhat random "street scene" of the tops of the buildings they're passing, and I'm having fun imagining that Matt Murdock is going hard-core parkour on the rooftops just out of their line of sight. (Since nobody can apparently pinpoint the timeline anyway, it's as likely as anything else, right?) It's the only thing keeping me going.

Aw, hands. Okay, so maybe they'll head this in actual relationship direction, and I'll have something else to keep me interested. (Although Malcolm has certainly gotten interesting.)

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