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Hey I'm not saying Nobu was innocent or that it wasn't hard for Matt to, idk concentrate or whatever at the time, I'm saying Matt didn't react to his (fandom assumed) death at all even later on when he reacted emotionally to the things he'd done that night in regards to Fisk. Which makes me think that Nobu likely wasn't straight up dead at the time that Matt rolled off the scene. It's not like people can't survive several minutes after receiving third degree burns, or even that it would be the first time Matt caused serious irreparable bodily harm to someone and just shrugged it off because technically he hadn't killed them.

It was about 3 minutes from his feet catching fire to Matt nopeing out the window.

He had some fairly good circumstances as far as being on fire goes. Best case, he dies in the ambulance (you know, if anyone had called one) but his heart could maaaaybe still have been beating and that's good enough for our hero.

I think Matt says something to Lantom in the next episode? Either way, the Japanese seemed like an afterthought. "We'll do that next season. I'm sure nobody will mind the lack of payoff or explanation if we promise to maaaaaaybe have it explained later by Elektra and her Impractically exposed midriff"

Soooo... just pointing out that in the comics, Hand ninjas generally turn to ash when killed regardless of the method of death. Similar to vampires in Buffy. (At least from my recollection).

So maybe Matt even picked up on a non-fully-human vibe from Nobu and that's why he didn't care? Or at a certain point, the thing burning was just a pile of clothes and he realized the body had vanished?

That would have been a cool idea (and good foreshadowing) but none of Fisk's crew mentioned it. "Boss, either he pulled some Obi-Wan disappearing body shit, or he somehow snuck out without us knowing and is now running around naked and melting. What do we do?"

Actually Hand ninjas generally don't actually die, their bodies turn to ash but they're reborn (at which time they can die again but turn to ash immediately like Obi-Wan) which is what Gao was telling/foreshadowing with Fisk later when they were talking about Nobu's 'death', that his people were preparing him for what came next. Uh, if it was just a funeral there would have been no big ceremony or whatever.

I heard an interview with Peter Shinkoda recently and they asked him whether he was coming back in S2 and he said he couldn't say yet coz obvs the season is still filming and although he hasn't been called in yet, he still could be, and he wouldn't be able to confirm nor deny because Marvel no likey when their people start spilling secrets. IIRC that interview is on the Defenders Podcast.

sa - Sorry! I meant when a Hand soldier dies the FIRST time they are prepared and brought back to life, and THEN if they die again they turn to ash. So the story goes iirc. This is why so many of them are considered very very very old. I don't know if this is what Stick meant when he talked about Nobu to Matt but he did say that Nobu was near the top of the Hand power structure and Nobu was the name he was using now. Maybe Nobu has died before or maybe the MCU is going to change things up a little bit so it's not exactly like the comics, but there's definitely something weird with the way Nobu died and the way Gao was talking about him and the way Fisk was actually scared of Nobu and his people (the Hand).

also, here's another thing, since i just rewatched episode 9:

wesley asks fisk what they should do with nobu after they find him on fire and the fight with matt is finished. fisk's response? "let him burn."

they leave nobu behind and, realistically, he could have come back from the ashes with nobody around to even realize.

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