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ok, so, i was re-watching the confessional from episode one and it seemed a lot like when matt was talking about his dad letting the devil out that he was talking from personal experience and not just from having seen it happen in the ring. i might just be reading into something that's not there, but i was wondering if anyone else had similar thoughts or am i just a little crazy??
Well, I know that there was at least one flashback in the comics where little!Matt beat up some of his bullies and went home and told Jack about it. Jack had always wanted him to study instead of fighting so that he wouldn't end up like him, and he had been drinking that day, so he got angry...and hit Matt. He realized what he did right away and apologized for it, but Matt was scared and ran. He spent some time alone thinking, and that was when Matt decided to become a lawyer.
The thing about this is that it's horrible and shocking and I don't think anybody really wants to think about it...but it really does make a lot of sense for Matt's character and paradoxical opinion of violence.
Now, that hardly matches the level of violence Matt was describing in the confessional scene, and who knows if the show's version of Jack Murdock would ever have done something like this. But there is at least some evidence in the comics for what (I think) you're implying.
The thing about this is that it's horrible and shocking and I don't think anybody really wants to think about it...but it really does make a lot of sense for Matt's character and paradoxical opinion of violence.
Now, that hardly matches the level of violence Matt was describing in the confessional scene, and who knows if the show's version of Jack Murdock would ever have done something like this. But there is at least some evidence in the comics for what (I think) you're implying.
I didn't read it that way, but I can see how you could.
If you want to cry and have all of the feels, read this!
http://archiveofourown.org/works/4217547/chapters/9534300
It's a WIP called Sunshine. It's a post-apocalyptic fic about Matt and Foggy trying to survive in a sort of environmentally devastated, alien invaded, zombie infested world (because the author couldn't pick just one, apparently). It's beautiful and absolutely heartbreaking, but I love it so much.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/4217547/chapters/9534300
It's a WIP called Sunshine. It's a post-apocalyptic fic about Matt and Foggy trying to survive in a sort of environmentally devastated, alien invaded, zombie infested world (because the author couldn't pick just one, apparently). It's beautiful and absolutely heartbreaking, but I love it so much.
OP asking you to clarify this though. Because that's the part I don't get is the blanket statement that he writes women poorly.
To me, Jessica Jones is a very complex and interesting female character who's pretty well conceived considering she's written by a man. In fact, I was really impressed by Alias and how deep it delved into her psyche and state of mind in a way that didn't feel reductive or unrealistic. And yes there is the back story with the Purple Man, but I actually quite liked the fact that she specifies that she herself wasn't sexually abused, only psychologically tortured witnessing the abuse of others. Her friendship with Carol, and her relationship with Luke, Matt and Scott (among others) all read as heavily considered and as fairly unique to me.
Also, the only female character I can think about who heavily factors into his DD run is Milla, and I thought she was again interesting and had a lot of agency until Brubaker took over and completely derailed that relationship. In fact, even Vanessa gets a bigger, meatier role to play during Bendis' run on the title.
So I'm just not really seeing how Bendis treated women that poorly. In fact, I would put a lot of his female characters miles above other writers who don't get the same level of hate in terms of the level of seriousness and respect he gives them.
That's why I really don't get what I'm missing. What specifically are people having a problem with when it comes to Bendis and women? I'm honestly looking to be convinced, because if there are problems there I'd like to really consider them as I read his stuff going forward, and as Jessica Jones gets released and inevitably triggers a whole new wave of discussion on the subject.
To me, Jessica Jones is a very complex and interesting female character who's pretty well conceived considering she's written by a man. In fact, I was really impressed by Alias and how deep it delved into her psyche and state of mind in a way that didn't feel reductive or unrealistic. And yes there is the back story with the Purple Man, but I actually quite liked the fact that she specifies that she herself wasn't sexually abused, only psychologically tortured witnessing the abuse of others. Her friendship with Carol, and her relationship with Luke, Matt and Scott (among others) all read as heavily considered and as fairly unique to me.
Also, the only female character I can think about who heavily factors into his DD run is Milla, and I thought she was again interesting and had a lot of agency until Brubaker took over and completely derailed that relationship. In fact, even Vanessa gets a bigger, meatier role to play during Bendis' run on the title.
So I'm just not really seeing how Bendis treated women that poorly. In fact, I would put a lot of his female characters miles above other writers who don't get the same level of hate in terms of the level of seriousness and respect he gives them.
That's why I really don't get what I'm missing. What specifically are people having a problem with when it comes to Bendis and women? I'm honestly looking to be convinced, because if there are problems there I'd like to really consider them as I read his stuff going forward, and as Jessica Jones gets released and inevitably triggers a whole new wave of discussion on the subject.
I had similar thoughts when Matt told Claire something along the line of "My dad taught me that" or something when Claire comments that he can take "One hell of a beating". It actually came off a lot more sinister than I'm making it out to be here.
But yeah, when I commented on it on tumblr, mostly along the lines of how it would be a good kicking off point for one of those miscommunication sub lots (EI I was reading it as Matt not actually being abused) someone pointed out that "Ar Ar Ar You know he meant his dad taught him to box. Or to get back up again when hit" but erm.....
It really made me see that there's something beyond the mantra that Matt attributes to his dad. I don't know. Else I think he wouldn't mention anyone because so much of him taking a beating does seem to come from Stick. And I do mean that in the horribly abusive way. So I think this is open to interpretation.
But yeah, when I commented on it on tumblr, mostly along the lines of how it would be a good kicking off point for one of those miscommunication sub lots (EI I was reading it as Matt not actually being abused) someone pointed out that "Ar Ar Ar You know he meant his dad taught him to box. Or to get back up again when hit" but erm.....
It really made me see that there's something beyond the mantra that Matt attributes to his dad. I don't know. Else I think he wouldn't mention anyone because so much of him taking a beating does seem to come from Stick. And I do mean that in the horribly abusive way. So I think this is open to interpretation.
"All I know is you're very good at taking a beating."
"That part I got from my dad."
Whether or not there's anything else underlying it, based on the language ("got from" as opposed to something like "learned from") and the flashback, I believe Matt meant that the toughness was an inherited trait.
"That part I got from my dad."
Whether or not there's anything else underlying it, based on the language ("got from" as opposed to something like "learned from") and the flashback, I believe Matt meant that the toughness was an inherited trait.
I'm thinking of doing a kinkmeme etiquette and handling essay because it has occurred to me that a lot of our rules about kinkmeme behavior go unspoken, across kinkmemes and that this can be really confusing for newbies to these spaces. (And that it is just asking for wank when these new players assume shit about the rules.)
So I was wondering if any of our kinkmeme vets would like to help out with this or think it's a good idea? Right now I'm just in the vague planning stages as there's so much else going on in my life right now (including 20 or so things I want to fill!). But I figure there's no harm in asking, right?
Also, I'm asking here because it's such an active kinkmeme and one of my favorites. I also think it has the least wank and best moderation which means to me that the people here might be able to offer a lot of insight into why it is they way it is and similar.
So I was wondering if any of our kinkmeme vets would like to help out with this or think it's a good idea? Right now I'm just in the vague planning stages as there's so much else going on in my life right now (including 20 or so things I want to fill!). But I figure there's no harm in asking, right?
Also, I'm asking here because it's such an active kinkmeme and one of my favorites. I also think it has the least wank and best moderation which means to me that the people here might be able to offer a lot of insight into why it is they way it is and similar.
Thank you for the quote! I didn't have very good internet at the time so I couldn't stream any video but yeah. That's it.
I mean, it is totally up to interpretation, but I some how don't think the writers meant it to be that way. You know?
I mean, it is totally up to interpretation, but I some how don't think the writers meant it to be that way. You know?
bendis is fully capable of writing good, solid female characters. the trouble he runs into is that when he fucks up he doesn't take criticism well at all. for example: on the topic of bobby being bisexual, bendis said "i wasn't TRYING to be biphobic, i have bisexual friends, i am not a hateful person, why are you guys being so hard on me???"
from what i've seen bendis tries to do a good job at writing but he values his own thoughts and intent more highly than criticism because he can't take it well at all.
from what i've seen bendis tries to do a good job at writing but he values his own thoughts and intent more highly than criticism because he can't take it well at all.
Sounds a bit like micro-managing, tbh. If you've got a specific issue you think needs to be addressed, maybe contact the mod? Otherwise why mess with a good thing?
One of the many things that I LIKE about this kinkmeme is that there isn't a shit-ton of rules, and we're all trusted to be adult-ish and use common sense and have a good time.
One of the many things that I LIKE about this kinkmeme is that there isn't a shit-ton of rules, and we're all trusted to be adult-ish and use common sense and have a good time.
Just to add to this, I know that the mod has said that they won't run a challenge but that someone else maybe could on a Challenges board and I have a thought.
A lot of people have been advocating for more fills related to characters like Ben, or Mrs. Cardenas - characters who for some reason were as important to the show but get less fic written about them. So maybe we could run some kind of challenge related to those characters to boost the visibility of those requests and add a bit of diversity/variety to the types of fics coming out of this meme? Either for fics about a specific character or a set of characters not generally explored (Father Lantom, maybe, or Marci could fall into that category too).
Just a thought.
A lot of people have been advocating for more fills related to characters like Ben, or Mrs. Cardenas - characters who for some reason were as important to the show but get less fic written about them. So maybe we could run some kind of challenge related to those characters to boost the visibility of those requests and add a bit of diversity/variety to the types of fics coming out of this meme? Either for fics about a specific character or a set of characters not generally explored (Father Lantom, maybe, or Marci could fall into that category too).
Just a thought.
So sorry nonnie, I meant to come back to this and list the two issues that I mentioned and I totally forgot.
DD and Punisher are both chasing the same perp in a crossover - Daredevil V1 #257 is the story told from the target's perspective, and then in The Punisher V2 #10 it's the same story but told from Frank's perspective.
If you read those, then you should go read What If Venom Had Possessed the Punisher? which is exactly what it says on the tin. Spidey and DD both try to stop the Punisher who is losing his mind to the Venom symbiote and is on a murderous killing spree. Peter and Matt are both defeated, but the symbiote doesn't kill them and then the symbiote is ransacking Frank's brain for a strong memory, it wants somewhere to go and it goes after the same target from the DD/Punisher crossover above, and kills him (finally). I wouldn't have known who the target was if I hadn't read those other issues, so that particular What If made me laugh.
DD and Punisher are both chasing the same perp in a crossover - Daredevil V1 #257 is the story told from the target's perspective, and then in The Punisher V2 #10 it's the same story but told from Frank's perspective.
If you read those, then you should go read What If Venom Had Possessed the Punisher? which is exactly what it says on the tin. Spidey and DD both try to stop the Punisher who is losing his mind to the Venom symbiote and is on a murderous killing spree. Peter and Matt are both defeated, but the symbiote doesn't kill them and then the symbiote is ransacking Frank's brain for a strong memory, it wants somewhere to go and it goes after the same target from the DD/Punisher crossover above, and kills him (finally). I wouldn't have known who the target was if I hadn't read those other issues, so that particular What If made me laugh.
Hee! Their 80's courtship! ♥
(Also, yes, Frank's partner in the Omega Drive crossover wasn't exactly trustworthy after all, and to have Frank be the one who brings the traitor to the party, the one who puts Matt in imminent danger when Frank was the one who swore to protect him? I've always wanted a story about that from Frank's perspective in the aftermath because I'm so sure he didn't take that well.)
(Also, yes, Frank's partner in the Omega Drive crossover wasn't exactly trustworthy after all, and to have Frank be the one who brings the traitor to the party, the one who puts Matt in imminent danger when Frank was the one who swore to protect him? I've always wanted a story about that from Frank's perspective in the aftermath because I'm so sure he didn't take that well.)
I don't think that the OP anon is trying to suggest that they have issues with behaviour they want changed, or that their essay would be rules that /need/ to be followed.
I mean I interpreted this as just being an attempt to analyse and explain general kinkmeme community behaviours. particularly those that may be unfamiliar to newbies. Like those posts that go into fandom history and explain why people use the exclamation marks to denote AUs/characteristics and what not.
Behaviour patterns that the community adopts as a whole unconsciously that are interesting to explore rather than rules and regulations.
I mean I interpreted this as just being an attempt to analyse and explain general kinkmeme community behaviours. particularly those that may be unfamiliar to newbies. Like those posts that go into fandom history and explain why people use the exclamation marks to denote AUs/characteristics and what not.
Behaviour patterns that the community adopts as a whole unconsciously that are interesting to explore rather than rules and regulations.
I FINALLY READ IT AND NOPE. NO NO NO.
thanks so much for this rec - i'm reading it now and omfg </3
OP
Yes.
Specifically, there's another kinkmeme that I shall not name here that's having a lot a lot of problems with the unspoken rules part of the kinkmeme. For example, there have been anons jumping down people's throats for "plugging" when they fill a prompt but that fill then spirals into a much larger story than originally asked for by the prompter.
That's a problem you'd never see here. Or that the mods would screen almost as soon as it happened. Yet it's a problem running rampant over there.
However, I don't feel comfortable being sole writer of this thing because I really am coming form the perspective of "Oh my god, look at this mess." and I don't want to spend 3/4 of my time writing and editing it second guessing myself and whether or not I'm actually acting in good faith or whether I'm just being an ass and contributing to the major problems of negativity this other place as got going on.
And also, I think establishing more guilde lines is better. Like if I read a fic where x happens and I want to prompt a fic where x also happens there is no guilde line for if I should link to of even mention the existence of fic x and I think this is something that should be talked about.
I mean this happened with one of my fics which turned out to be really cool. I mean I wasn't cited at all but in the comments I brought up my fic and it was cool to have OP say, "Oh yeah! That was great! And it's where I got the idea from."
But if I wrote a fic for this fandom in question and this happened on that kinkmeme... I would be livid because it's such a hostile place right now. It's also why I'm just not writing for this fandom period.
But yeah. This is all for the benefit of that first anon to explain that I have 0 problems with the daredevil kinkmeme. I think it's easily one of the best kinkmeme's I've been on in a long time.
But I know that with kinkmemes becoming more and more common there will be more and more of them that fall apart like this other one I'm not mentioning is.
And I don't know if I'm dragging up wank or something. This is just a huge problem and me and my little group of friends don't know how to handle it. So I guess I'm also looking for a reality check. That's the deal.
I'd love it if people like the anon above could help me with this. Because while I'm inspired by the utter mess going on in other fandom spaces I also think that everything they brought up is important to focus on because I think it's way more important than the perspective I'm taking. But I'm having a really hard time with this bais I've got.
Yes.
Specifically, there's another kinkmeme that I shall not name here that's having a lot a lot of problems with the unspoken rules part of the kinkmeme. For example, there have been anons jumping down people's throats for "plugging" when they fill a prompt but that fill then spirals into a much larger story than originally asked for by the prompter.
That's a problem you'd never see here. Or that the mods would screen almost as soon as it happened. Yet it's a problem running rampant over there.
However, I don't feel comfortable being sole writer of this thing because I really am coming form the perspective of "Oh my god, look at this mess." and I don't want to spend 3/4 of my time writing and editing it second guessing myself and whether or not I'm actually acting in good faith or whether I'm just being an ass and contributing to the major problems of negativity this other place as got going on.
And also, I think establishing more guilde lines is better. Like if I read a fic where x happens and I want to prompt a fic where x also happens there is no guilde line for if I should link to of even mention the existence of fic x and I think this is something that should be talked about.
I mean this happened with one of my fics which turned out to be really cool. I mean I wasn't cited at all but in the comments I brought up my fic and it was cool to have OP say, "Oh yeah! That was great! And it's where I got the idea from."
But if I wrote a fic for this fandom in question and this happened on that kinkmeme... I would be livid because it's such a hostile place right now. It's also why I'm just not writing for this fandom period.
But yeah. This is all for the benefit of that first anon to explain that I have 0 problems with the daredevil kinkmeme. I think it's easily one of the best kinkmeme's I've been on in a long time.
But I know that with kinkmemes becoming more and more common there will be more and more of them that fall apart like this other one I'm not mentioning is.
And I don't know if I'm dragging up wank or something. This is just a huge problem and me and my little group of friends don't know how to handle it. So I guess I'm also looking for a reality check. That's the deal.
I'd love it if people like the anon above could help me with this. Because while I'm inspired by the utter mess going on in other fandom spaces I also think that everything they brought up is important to focus on because I think it's way more important than the perspective I'm taking. But I'm having a really hard time with this bais I've got.
I also think that there are a lot fans who don't know how kinkmemes work to begine with. Like the daredevil kinkmeme explains it really well and so does Avengerkink but if you start anywhere else there's not going to be an explanation of the off-topic post or even the fill anoucenemnt post.
I should also add that I am now 3,000 words into this so my attitude and perspective towards it is very different from when I made my original post. Because there is so much to explain to newbie who's never seen a kinkmeme before even outside of the other issues.
Hey! I'm the ~micro-managing~ anon. I understand a bit better what you were getting at now, thanks! :-)
Honestly, I think it really boils down to good moderators on this meme. They don't tolerate wank.
Also, the rules here are simple and straightforward, and therefore easy to follow (I've seen some memes that get bogged down with silly rules like no discussions in the prompt post, or no comments like "seconded!" or "no discussions about this other iteration of the thing" (like, comics, or another movie) and it all seems very nit-picky and not fun at all).
... I don't know how this helps for what you want to write tho. It seems to all boil down to Be Nice and Have Fun, haha ^^;
(Also, our fandom and this meme is but a tiny thing compared to other fandoms. I think you'd need an army of mods to keep a kinkmeme in the Avengers fandom, or the Sherlock fandom from devolving into a cesspool)
Honestly, I think it really boils down to good moderators on this meme. They don't tolerate wank.
Also, the rules here are simple and straightforward, and therefore easy to follow (I've seen some memes that get bogged down with silly rules like no discussions in the prompt post, or no comments like "seconded!" or "no discussions about this other iteration of the thing" (like, comics, or another movie) and it all seems very nit-picky and not fun at all).
... I don't know how this helps for what you want to write tho. It seems to all boil down to Be Nice and Have Fun, haha ^^;
(Also, our fandom and this meme is but a tiny thing compared to other fandoms. I think you'd need an army of mods to keep a kinkmeme in the Avengers fandom, or the Sherlock fandom from devolving into a cesspool)
So... let's say one day Karen decided to confess to Foggy that she killed Wesley.
What is Foggy legally obligated to do if she confessed that she killed someone? I've heard of Attorney–client privilege, but how far does that extend? Would he try to stop her from telling him details of what happened, or would it not matter?
What is Foggy legally obligated to do if she confessed that she killed someone? I've heard of Attorney–client privilege, but how far does that extend? Would he try to stop her from telling him details of what happened, or would it not matter?
We have great mods. I feel so blessed every day!
But there are things like: Our kinkmeme doesn't say if recs are okay. I mean, I assume they are.
It doesn't say if blending multiple prompts together to create a fill is okay.
So forth. I'm interested to know if other people agree with me on this. Why I assume these rules are in play unless otherwise stated and why other people might not. And part of what my thinking about this issue has lead me to is this rather in-depth analyzes for how both these things add to the kinkmeme. You know?
But there are things like: Our kinkmeme doesn't say if recs are okay. I mean, I assume they are.
It doesn't say if blending multiple prompts together to create a fill is okay.
So forth. I'm interested to know if other people agree with me on this. Why I assume these rules are in play unless otherwise stated and why other people might not. And part of what my thinking about this issue has lead me to is this rather in-depth analyzes for how both these things add to the kinkmeme. You know?
I personally love that this kinkmeme is so open and assumes that we're all capable of policing ourselves, but also so well moderated.
It's fantastic that the mods seem to be so open to things like comic or other divergent conversations and prompts and are so fair to everyone. From what I've seen, other kinkmemes get too bogged down in specific lists of rules, or have mods who are either too loose and don't stay on top of things, or who shut things down too quickly and are too strict for fear of any wank at all.
I like that this "kink" meme has become a catch-all place for Daredevil fics of all kinds (AU, gen, kinky, etc.) and that it polices itself for the most part without anyone really telling anyone off too much. When wank has occurred, the mods have been very responsive amd assertive, but they've also considered complaints and decided not to screen or freeze in cases where the conversation has actually been necessaey or interesting. I appreciate that.
It's fantastic that the mods seem to be so open to things like comic or other divergent conversations and prompts and are so fair to everyone. From what I've seen, other kinkmemes get too bogged down in specific lists of rules, or have mods who are either too loose and don't stay on top of things, or who shut things down too quickly and are too strict for fear of any wank at all.
I like that this "kink" meme has become a catch-all place for Daredevil fics of all kinds (AU, gen, kinky, etc.) and that it polices itself for the most part without anyone really telling anyone off too much. When wank has occurred, the mods have been very responsive amd assertive, but they've also considered complaints and decided not to screen or freeze in cases where the conversation has actually been necessaey or interesting. I appreciate that.
as long as she isn't being prosecuted for it (and even if she were, she could still tell foggy she'd done it even if she was planning to entire a not-guilty plea) if foggy were officially her attourney he'd be bound by attourney-client privilege to not tell a soul. this definitely extends to murder confessions and it's about as seriously taken as a confession to a priest.
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