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Because I'm super in love with episode 10 and its emotionally charged atmosphere, I actually noticed something when I rewatched the episode in full HD. Cause that scene where Matt first says, "It was Fisk, it was all Fisk," and that tear rolls from his eye, Foggy is actually crying too. You can only just see the glint of a teary streak on his cheek. Which I thought was very powerful and underlines the special bond between the two of them.
For Daredevil people are always reccing Waid's recent run which is good but Bendis is my #1. Foggy and Matt sort of have a breakup in DD vol. 3 over Foggy thinking Matt is lying about his mental health BUT honestly it doesn't have nearly the same impact as Foggy in volume 2 actually dealing with Matt being a reckless mentally ill person while trying to keep their practice afloat and protect his own privacy and safety. And none of Matt's girlfriends die or go insane or become prostitutes and he interacts with all the other street heroes of New York City. IMO it's the closest to the show in its essence despite the showrunners cherry picking most of its set pieces from Miller's run.
Must reads of other comics:
Secret Avengers volume 3 (my favorite comic of all time)
New Avengers: The Reunion
Hawkeye (2012) and All New Hawkeye
Avengers Academy
Deadpool (2012)
The Indestructible Hulk (Matt shows up in this one because Mark Waid was writing both titles at the time)
The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
Giant Size Little Marvel: AvX
I'm sure I have more but this is off the top of my head. You can get all of these on Unlimited except a few of them have runs that aren't finished yet or finished too recently but if you can't pay you can get them on viewcomic.com
Spider-Gwen
Must reads of other comics:
Secret Avengers volume 3 (my favorite comic of all time)
New Avengers: The Reunion
Hawkeye (2012) and All New Hawkeye
Avengers Academy
Deadpool (2012)
The Indestructible Hulk (Matt shows up in this one because Mark Waid was writing both titles at the time)
The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
Giant Size Little Marvel: AvX
I'm sure I have more but this is off the top of my head. You can get all of these on Unlimited except a few of them have runs that aren't finished yet or finished too recently but if you can't pay you can get them on viewcomic.com
Spider-Gwen
YMMV OP because I thought the latter half of volume 3 and all of volume 4 was much stronger than the beginning of volume 3 which was really bogged down with crossovers and too convoluted for me. Plus I thought the whole thing with Matt's mental illness was handled kind of poorly which is strange in comparison to how beautifully Waid handled it in volume 4.
New post for comics-verse prompts: http://daredevilkink.dreamwidth.org/5176.html
Does any one know what Karen made for Matt and Foggy? Like the dish her mother said to save for her future husband?
I have a feeling it was lasagne??
Where did the cinnamon roll thing come from? I assume it's Tumblr, but I can't deal with Tumblr, so I'm hoping the meme can inform me.
I had no idea where it came from beyond it being a tumblr thing, but I just looked it up and I guess it's from an Onion article? Huh.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/beautiful-cinnamon-roll-too-good-for-this-world-too-pure
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/beautiful-cinnamon-roll-too-good-for-this-world-too-pure
(OP here) Okay, that is hilarious. Thank you for researching!
nayr but ehhh, you're not exactly wrong. I don't know if you're the same anon who said Foggy was a fat joke in the comics? Hmm, addressing the comics here... While he does have some atrocious habits in the comics (eating and snoring and slobbish, not to mention some hygienic issues that are sold to the readers as comedic), he's also usually sold to the readers as a man with a brilliant mind for laws and statutes and gifted when it comes to research. He's a sweet, good-natured guy who very much wants to be a hero like Matt, but really needs to be terrified or very angry before he leaps into action. Foggy's normal like the rest of us. But he's very much capable of holding up his end of Nelson & Murdock, sometimes he IS Nelson & Murdock because Matt has a whole other job that involves regularly being gone from his normal day job, sometimes for days on end.
But also, Foggy's THE grounding factor in Matt's life. He worries about Matt, he loves Matt and he isn't shy about letting Matt know that (even when he's yelling at him which is pretty rare in the 50+ years of the comics, but even when Foggy does it's not about MATT YOU ARE AN IDIOT, it's MATT YOU DID THIS THING THAT I DON'T LIKE STOP DOING THE THING), he challenges Matt, he's the calm eye at the center of Matt's hurricane lifestyle. And while Matt's history puts him on a first name basis with most of the other superheroes in the Marvel universe (some of whom he's very, very good friends with, many who have fought side by side with Matt and who regularly call him Matt or Matty or Matthew regardless of whether he's wearing the DD suit or not), Foggy is Matt's platonic life partner, they're so married it's ridiculous, and Matt needs Foggy's good-hearted normal, the way Foggy will always be iron filings to Matt's crazy troublemagnet ass.
OTOH, the Foggy on the show is not well developed at all. We really don't know anything about him except he's a good guy. Which is important, yes, but being a decent person is the baseline expectation for all the heroes we usually cheer for, but beyond that? Is there anything about Foggy that isn't specifically defined as well (or better) with Claire? Claire shares all of Foggy's best personality traits and then some, and the show managed to do that with less screen time than Foggy. Which is, idek, it's disappointing. I understand Claire and Foggy are both support type characters, the show was always going to address the history of Matt and Karen in some way, but could Foggy have been replaced with just anyone on the show? With what they gave us in s1? Probably. I think the Foggy on the show is a kinder, gentler version than the comics Foggy, but also less nuanced, less depth, and I hope season 2 Foggy gets some better definition so Elden can really own that role.
But also, Foggy's THE grounding factor in Matt's life. He worries about Matt, he loves Matt and he isn't shy about letting Matt know that (even when he's yelling at him which is pretty rare in the 50+ years of the comics, but even when Foggy does it's not about MATT YOU ARE AN IDIOT, it's MATT YOU DID THIS THING THAT I DON'T LIKE STOP DOING THE THING), he challenges Matt, he's the calm eye at the center of Matt's hurricane lifestyle. And while Matt's history puts him on a first name basis with most of the other superheroes in the Marvel universe (some of whom he's very, very good friends with, many who have fought side by side with Matt and who regularly call him Matt or Matty or Matthew regardless of whether he's wearing the DD suit or not), Foggy is Matt's platonic life partner, they're so married it's ridiculous, and Matt needs Foggy's good-hearted normal, the way Foggy will always be iron filings to Matt's crazy troublemagnet ass.
OTOH, the Foggy on the show is not well developed at all. We really don't know anything about him except he's a good guy. Which is important, yes, but being a decent person is the baseline expectation for all the heroes we usually cheer for, but beyond that? Is there anything about Foggy that isn't specifically defined as well (or better) with Claire? Claire shares all of Foggy's best personality traits and then some, and the show managed to do that with less screen time than Foggy. Which is, idek, it's disappointing. I understand Claire and Foggy are both support type characters, the show was always going to address the history of Matt and Karen in some way, but could Foggy have been replaced with just anyone on the show? With what they gave us in s1? Probably. I think the Foggy on the show is a kinder, gentler version than the comics Foggy, but also less nuanced, less depth, and I hope season 2 Foggy gets some better definition so Elden can really own that role.
I want to personally thank each and every person gunning for my OT3 Matt/Foggy/Kristen in the comics prompt page
Come forward and recieve my genuine heartfelt emotional gratitude. I'm so glad these three are so appreciated and loved and love each other
Come forward and recieve my genuine heartfelt emotional gratitude. I'm so glad these three are so appreciated and loved and love each other
I am so deeply relieved that there are more people than I thought who ship these three assholes with me I love it so much
While a mighty ship i thought it's crew small in number. I have never been so glad to be proven wrong in my life
so this is definitely more comics-related than MCU, but given the slated appearance of the punisher in s2... can someone tell me what the aftermath was for matt after the events of the punisher volume 'devil by the horns'? because that was fucking BRUTAL and i can't imagine what it cost matt to pull that trigger and how the hell he doesn't hate frank for it.
Non-comics-reading anon is intrigued by this. What happened in the volume?
so, spoilers: in order to prevent frank from killing a man who's certainly no innocent but *is* innocent of the crime he's been accused of (and of course he's got murdock as his attorney), frank sets it up so that matt *must* kill him before he takes his shot. he explains it as the choice he makes every day -- stay your hand and have a preventable death on your conscience, or become a killer.
matt pulls the trigger to stop him.
it doesn't go off because frank removed the firing pin, and frank tells matt to 'leave the killing to him', but holy shit, i was seething. it's one thing to make that choice for yourself but to force it on someone else, even though ultimately there was no fatal result? and given frank has no remorse for the people he guns down, whereas matt was faced with having to kill someone who he disagrees with but not to a fatal extent?
yeah. i need to know like burning what the fallout was from this issue.
matt pulls the trigger to stop him.
it doesn't go off because frank removed the firing pin, and frank tells matt to 'leave the killing to him', but holy shit, i was seething. it's one thing to make that choice for yourself but to force it on someone else, even though ultimately there was no fatal result? and given frank has no remorse for the people he guns down, whereas matt was faced with having to kill someone who he disagrees with but not to a fatal extent?
yeah. i need to know like burning what the fallout was from this issue.
http://imgur.com/gallery/uQsyr here's the volume in question.
Could someone please translate the following dialogue to Spanish for me? (the doctor is a woman)
"Mr Murdock? It’s Doctor Mendez. Can you hear me?"
“Yes."
"Good. Do you know where you are?"
“The hospital…?"
"That’s right. You're safe."
"Mr Murdock? It’s Doctor Mendez. Can you hear me?"
“Yes."
"Good. Do you know where you are?"
“The hospital…?"
"That’s right. You're safe."
With the caveat that I'm not a native speaker, so someone who is might want to double-check this:
"Señor Murdock? Soy la doctura Mendez. Me puedes oír?"
"Sí."
"Bueno. Sabes dónde estás?"
"El hospital...?"
"Eso es. Estás a salvo."
"Señor Murdock? Soy la doctura Mendez. Me puedes oír?"
"Sí."
"Bueno. Sabes dónde estás?"
"El hospital...?"
"Eso es. Estás a salvo."
they changed to netflixdefenders to be more inclusive of the other Defenders, afaik.
Sounds like it'd be a great prompt
OP: yeah, my first instinct was to request a fill but i wanted to make sure that this wasn't actually covered in canon first. hence coming here to the discussion page. ^^;
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