I don't think that Foggy could both be seeing him for the first time since season 2 and checking ONLY to see if he backslid on Daredevil unless he's been talking to Karen, but not Matt, in the meanwhile. Otherwise he would have no idea he planned to give it up to know he backslid. When they had their last conversation in season 2 Matt was clearly planning to continue as Daredevil, and Foggy gave him idea of where to look for the Hand, knowing what he was doing. So short of talking to Karen or Matt he wouldn't know to "check in" because he wouldn't know he was trying to stop. I can't go bath ways. Either they haven't been in communication so Foggy expects Matt is just being Daredevil and not "checking in to see if he fell off the wagon," or they have been in limited communication.
Matt's statement as that they had gone a long time between meeting, but that it was a long time between meetings unlike before, and this saddened him.
I also fundamentally disagree that it is on Foggy to get in touch in the first place. Matt told him to leave, and he did, but not before Matt caused a lot of harm to their relationship. Castle case aside, though that was one of many unilateral decision Matt made throughout their practice and friendship, there was one key moment where Matt created great harm that has never been addressed.
When Foggy was shot, Matt left him, and he never came to see him. "But he was on the roof" "but he was trying to protect him." Foggy doesn't know that. You as the audience do, but Foggy doesn't. (Remember how he asked Marci if Matt was coming, if she saw him).
This broke them for Foggy. He considered them family. He would do anything for Matt, (and has on multiple occasions put himself in the line of fire metaphirucally or potentially literally once), for Matt, but Matt didn't show. I think that's when Foggy gave up on them as anything more than casual friends, and let himself be pushed away, because if he meant as much to Matt as Matt meant to him, he felt he should have been there.
Expecting Foggy to be the first to reach out after that because Matt's had bad stuff happen in his life and is damaged is unreasonable. Yet, Foggy reaches out first anyway, because Matt won't.
The key may be symbolic, but so was "look for manholes" in DD 2. It was a "you're gonna do what you do, and I may not approve, but if you loop me in, I can help."
Back to my point though. Matt did real damage to their relationship. Why is the onus on Foggy to make the first move and fully accept Matt when Matt has not reached out AT ALL to Foggy, or in anyway died to right the damage, (casually saying he's sorry in passing in the office actually made it worse, because it made it seem like it was a small thing, when for Foggy it was huge). So I feel, yes, everything Foggy does is because he cares about Matt, but he's keeping a distance because he feels that they are not on equal ground (i.e. Foggy values Matt's friendship more than the other way around) , and that Matt opening up enough to tell him the truth would show he's letting him in, whereas otherwise they can't be more than casual friends despite Foggy feeling Matt is his family.
Yes Matt is damaged and has learned not to trust. That's not an excuse. You break it, you fix it. He hasn't even tried. Yet Foggy still reaches out. Imperfectly, but HE's THERE. Showing up is step one.
Matt needs to tell son truths (at least in why he left, at least on why he didn't reach out), to START repairing the relationship before he expects acceptance. Because the way it look now to Foggy, Matt didn't care enough about him to check in on him, or make the first move to let him back in by explaining why he was unavailable to check in. That small piece is huge.
Re: Episode 2 Discussion
Matt's statement as that they had gone a long time between meeting, but that it was a long time between meetings unlike before, and this saddened him.
I also fundamentally disagree that it is on Foggy to get in touch in the first place. Matt told him to leave, and he did, but not before Matt caused a lot of harm to their relationship. Castle case aside, though that was one of many unilateral decision Matt made throughout their practice and friendship, there was one key moment where Matt created great harm that has never been addressed.
When Foggy was shot, Matt left him, and he never came to see him. "But he was on the roof" "but he was trying to protect him." Foggy doesn't know that. You as the audience do, but Foggy doesn't. (Remember how he asked Marci if Matt was coming, if she saw him).
This broke them for Foggy. He considered them family. He would do anything for Matt, (and has on multiple occasions put himself in the line of fire metaphirucally or potentially literally once), for Matt, but Matt didn't show. I think that's when Foggy gave up on them as anything more than casual friends, and let himself be pushed away, because if he meant as much to Matt as Matt meant to him, he felt he should have been there.
Expecting Foggy to be the first to reach out after that because Matt's had bad stuff happen in his life and is damaged is unreasonable. Yet, Foggy reaches out first anyway, because Matt won't.
The key may be symbolic, but so was "look for manholes" in DD 2. It was a "you're gonna do what you do, and I may not approve, but if you loop me in, I can help."
Back to my point though. Matt did real damage to their relationship. Why is the onus on Foggy to make the first move and fully accept Matt when Matt has not reached out AT ALL to Foggy, or in anyway died to right the damage, (casually saying he's sorry in passing in the office actually made it worse, because it made it seem like it was a small thing, when for Foggy it was huge). So I feel, yes, everything Foggy does is because he cares about Matt, but he's keeping a distance because he feels that they are not on equal ground (i.e. Foggy values Matt's friendship more than the other way around) , and that Matt opening up enough to tell him the truth would show he's letting him in, whereas otherwise they can't be more than casual friends despite Foggy feeling Matt is his family.
Yes Matt is damaged and has learned not to trust. That's not an excuse. You break it, you fix it. He hasn't even tried. Yet Foggy still reaches out. Imperfectly, but HE's THERE. Showing up is step one.
Matt needs to tell son truths (at least in why he left, at least on why he didn't reach out), to START repairing the relationship before he expects acceptance. Because the way it look now to Foggy, Matt didn't care enough about him to check in on him, or make the first move to let him back in by explaining why he was unavailable to check in. That small piece is huge.