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Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

then -- and i'm not trying to be rude here -- how do you explain mattfoggy shippers that legitimately find foggy attractive?

i mean, okay, we can all agree matt murdock is hot, but like, i would date foggy. he's really cute and he doesn't have the bad habit of going out at night and punching things as a form of stress relief. i guess that's just a small minority of fans who think like me but idk.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not discounting those people (I am definitely one of those people) and I don't believe the majority of writers are out there doing self-insert. I believe that Foggy is considered the most blatant self-insert character for the reasons I stated but that doesn't mean every characterization of him is blatant self-insert.

I tend to think to myself that I would fuck Matt but I would rather date/sleep with/love Foggy. Matt's the fantasy, Foggy's the reality.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

Matt's the fantasy, Foggy's the reality.

nayrt but that's a really good point, nonny, and I agree. A friend and I were commiserating this weekend that if Matt were ours, we'd eventually strangle him ourselves because he's noble and hot and a hero and all that but him coming close to dying every other day would get so old, so quick. If you're in love with Matt and you're not a superhero like him where you get to go out and protect him or help him, your life is a bundle of nightly fear and anger and tears and blood and worry and stress. That's the reality of Matt Murdock. Beautiful creature, but Foggy would be a million times easier to have an ordinary relationship with.

I do think Foggy's become the self-insert character because his characterisation has become consistently wildly so far away from canon that he's not even recognisable as the guy I adore on the show, and that never speaks well of the canon character. Why such a need to write him so drastically different if you love FOGGY ON THE SHOW, you know? I appreciate an AU as much as the next fan, but how is it most Foggys in fic are AU Foggys? Maybe I'm just a little sad because I love the Matt and Foggy relationship, I even love reading Matt/Foggy, but it seems a lot of time it ends up Matt/X when Foggy is so weirdly different from the show. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

Re: Foggy = Self-insert?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm fascinated by how you rate Foggy as attractive but you have to negate Matt as a guy with 'the bad habit of going out at night and punching things as a form of stress relief' in order to qualify it.