Um, if Foggy is only motivated by concern for Matt like you say, if everything he does regarding Matt are based on how much he cares about Matt, then why hasn't he been in touch with Matt for so long? Per Defenders, the only time Foggy checks in with Matt is when Matt's possibly backsliding into Daredevil. Do you think Matt doesn't see this, that this is what brings Foggy to see Matt? I'm just a viewer but my first question was why is this the first time they've gotten together in this long if they're friends, why does Matt sound so grateful, and the show is making the point that THIS is what brings them together. Not friendship, but lack of trust over how Matt is living his life. Foggy saying that Matt doesn't tell him anything is exactly what the show is selling for a reason, because Matt has finally shut Foggy out, or is still trying to (that Foggy still has a key to Matt's apartment is symbolic). But Foggy keeps coming back into Matt's life and every time he does it, it comes with strings or demands. Matt definitely lies or keeps secrets about so much. This isn't something you're born doing, it's something you learn by nurture, and Matt's used it as a survival tool because his life has proven that people only want him if he's useful or giving them what they want. He really does have massive trust issues. That's half the message of Defenders, isn't it? About trust? The other half of the message is about acceptance. Jessica Jones calls Matt out on his past, his abandonment issues, underscores everything with acceptance and offers trust, and she does it with shocking consideration and care, all in under five minutes. How different would things be if Karen and Foggy did this?
I'm not hating on Foggy at all, I love Foggy and I want him and Matt to be friends, but should they be? I've seen some people arguing that Matt needs to stop putting his friends in danger, but he's tried to do exactly that by stepping away from them, and people say well, he needs to stop being Daredevil then, and Matt did that, too, but still some say Matt didn't make an effort in trying to do what his friends wanted. The showrunners have talked about how all these people in Matt's life exert control on him, from Karen and Foggy to Stick, Elektra and Frank cycle through this too. Everybody wants Matt to change, they want him to conform to what they need him to be rather than what Matt needs to be. Foggy is included in that list, and this is where I question, in what world is that ever going to be a good friendship? From the beginning of the show, Matt's wanted acceptance, and Foggy's wanted Matt to be just 'his friend', no DD. As Stick said, they're both disappointed.
Matt doesn't trust Foggy any more than Foggy trusts Matt. Foggy tries to get Matt to trust him by saying he can tell Foggy things when we've had so many episodes that outline how this isn't true, and every time Matt tells Foggy the truth, Foggy makes him pay for it. They love each other, and they want to love each other and I guess that's the really important part, but right now they're just hurting each other. As much as I want them to be together and to be real friends, it's never going to work as they are. They both have to make a lot of changes but the big ones are trust and acceptance on Foggy's part and trust and honesty on Matt's side. It does seem like if Foggy can trust and accept DD, then Matt might manage the trust and honesty part. Those things go hand in hand.
Re: Episode 2 Discussion
I'm not hating on Foggy at all, I love Foggy and I want him and Matt to be friends, but should they be? I've seen some people arguing that Matt needs to stop putting his friends in danger, but he's tried to do exactly that by stepping away from them, and people say well, he needs to stop being Daredevil then, and Matt did that, too, but still some say Matt didn't make an effort in trying to do what his friends wanted. The showrunners have talked about how all these people in Matt's life exert control on him, from Karen and Foggy to Stick, Elektra and Frank cycle through this too. Everybody wants Matt to change, they want him to conform to what they need him to be rather than what Matt needs to be. Foggy is included in that list, and this is where I question, in what world is that ever going to be a good friendship? From the beginning of the show, Matt's wanted acceptance, and Foggy's wanted Matt to be just 'his friend', no DD. As Stick said, they're both disappointed.
Matt doesn't trust Foggy any more than Foggy trusts Matt. Foggy tries to get Matt to trust him by saying he can tell Foggy things when we've had so many episodes that outline how this isn't true, and every time Matt tells Foggy the truth, Foggy makes him pay for it. They love each other, and they want to love each other and I guess that's the really important part, but right now they're just hurting each other. As much as I want them to be together and to be real friends, it's never going to work as they are. They both have to make a lot of changes but the big ones are trust and acceptance on Foggy's part and trust and honesty on Matt's side. It does seem like if Foggy can trust and accept DD, then Matt might manage the trust and honesty part. Those things go hand in hand.