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I was just poking around on AO3 today and decided to mess with some searches and pull some numbers and stats about our fandom, mostly because I was looking at the list of top tags for relationships and additional tags and it got me thinking.

Relationships freaked me out. Because in comparison to here, Frank/Karen is #3 right now, and Matt/Reader is #5. So I started wondering about het shipping and gen fics in our fandom and how they stack up to other fandoms, because I always feel like we have more het fic and gen people around.

So... interesting figures for everyone:

Approximately 24% of fics on AO3 feature a het pairing and no tagged slash pairing (I did it this way to eliminate het pairings that were just background or minor to a slash ship, like Matt/Karen or Matt/Elektra showing up in Matt/Foggy fics). I checked this against the figures for a similar search in the larger MCU fandom, and they actually have a higher percentage overall of 27% (which surprised me).

Approximately 23% of fics on AO3 feature only the gen tag with no other relationship categories indicated. This is actually quite a bit higher than the MCU, where that figure was around 15%.

So overall we actually do have a pretty healthy community of het shippers and people who aren't into ships at all. :)

I ran some other numbers just for fun.

17% of fics on AO3 in our fandom are tagged for some kind of AU.

25% of fics on AO3 feature Matt/Foggy as a pairing. When you add in fics tagged as having only their friendship, that figure goes up to 38%! Just to illustrate how dominant that makes the ship within the fandom, Stucky only accounts for 13% of MCU fic, and Stony 9%. For further comparison going the other way though, 50% of Sherlock fic on AO3 is tagged for JohnLock, 64% when you include their friendship. So we ship our main ship with less intensity than that.

19% of Daredevil fics on AO3 aren't tagged for Matt at all.

Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence is one of the top AO3 tags for Daredevil, accounting for 5% of fic. This is only slightly higher than the overall MCU where the rate is 3%.

Another top tag unusual to Daredevil specifically? Unsurprisingly, it's Canon-Typical Violence.

I kinda fell down a weird rabbit hole tonight and just wanted to share and see what everyone else thought. These numbers are by no means scientific, and I am not a mathematician or statistician by trade, so I may have gotten them wrong or used weird methodology. But I thought people would be interested. :)

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Those are some really interesting figures. I tend to only read the stuff from the kink meme, so it's fun to see where the AO3 fandom is on its own.

Another thing that might be interesting to compare across fandom is when things get posted. Like, I'm assuming that most fandoms have the highest number of new fics whenever there's a new season or movie out. (Impressively, Almost Human had John/Dorian fics before the show even aired!) And there's probably a lot posted in the American summer months since a lot of college students are off for the summer.

There are a lot of fun ways to play with writing data (if you're into that kind of thing, hahaha). There's an increasing interest in academic research about fandom and remixing, but my experience with it so far has been studying specific groups of people rather than examining what they write as a whole.

For you reference, over 600 kinkmeme fics have been crossposted to Ao3 so far:

http://archiveofourown.org/collections/daredevilkink

OP: Well now you've made me want to search and filter the kink meme collection only to see how different it is from the overall AO3 fandom...

ayrt -

Do it, anon. For science.

Ooh anon, this is super interesting! <3 Thanks for digging up all these figures.

Canon-typical violence, hahah. That is a great tag for this fandom.

SA

I wish there was some way to see how this compares to the numbers pre-S2, too. I'm not surprised Frank/Karen is at #2-#3 (well, technically #3 as the OP says, but both the top two tags are Matt &-or-/ Foggy) but I'm interested to know what the #3 tag was before that. I don't remember any other pairings even getting close to the numbers Matt/Foggy have - and even right now, looking at AO3, Matt/Foggy is still well in the lead - but maybe it was Claire/Matt? Matt/Reader?

I love fandom by the numbers, so I've been keeping track of some things as well! I also don't numbers in any official capacity, just a big nerd.

MCU tagging can be kind of weird on AO3 I checked out Captain America (Movies) and 45% are tagged Stucky.

As for Daredevil itself, I grabbed a screenshot of the relationship numbers as they appeared in the AO3 sidebar Saturday afternoon PST a day after season 2 dropped (iirc a few Frank/Karen fics were out but only the hardcore bingers were done).

Matt/Foggy: 981
Matt&Foggy: 523
Matt/Claire: 177
Matt/Reader: 149
Matt&Foggy&Karen: 98
Matt/Karen: 97
Matt/Vladimir: 91
Foggy/Karen: 87
Matt/Foggy/Karen: 67
Matt&Karen: 66

screenshot: http://imgur.com/DM0k0XP

Going by the numbers now, there have been increases of:
Matt/Foggy: 75
Matt&Foggy: 43
Matt/Claire: 8
Matt/Reader: 21
Matt&Foggy&Karen: 5
Matt/Karen: 45
Matt/Vladimir: 1
Foggy/Karen: (okay AO3's sidebar only reads 79 but actually filtering by the tag shows 94 so) 7
Matt/Foggy/Karen: 17 (bumped off, had to check tag)
Matt&Karen: 25 (bumped off, went to tag to check, but if I actually count, only 10 fics have been updated between now and 3/18)

Other pairings, just by counting fics dated post-3/18:
275 Karen/Frank
~50 each Matt/Elektra and Matt/Frank

So sadly my investigation proved the unreliability of the AO3 sidebar stats so I wouldn't place bets on any of this data. But I typed this post, and I'm on a roll dangit.

That being said, it makes sense from what I've seen on AO3. Even putting aside the huge swell of Karen/Frank there's been a lot more diversity in tagged Matt pairings, in part because he got 2 more canon romantic relationships. Don't have the stats of shipping vs gen, but I'd be interested in them.

This is really interesting! Thanks for sharing :)

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