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I agree about Wilson Fisk. I mean, I think he's an interesting villain, and even a tragic one, but there is no point where I find him actually sympathetic. I definitely see the parallels between him and Matt, but his 'not so different' speech wasn't a 'gotcha' to the audience, it was bullshit. Matt is a violent and occasionally amoral person, but the only person he kills in the entire show was Nobu, and that's a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense (and he's clearly pretty fucked up about it). Fisk beats someone to death for interrupting a dinner date.

Also, as far as the improving Hell's Kitchen thing goes--yes, they both believe in what they're doing, and yes, they both use illegal means, but--Fisk wants to make Hell's Kitchen a better place not by improving the lives of the people who live there, but by getting rid of them so that a 'better' class of person can move in. Matt's breaking the law and frequently his own moral code, but he's actively trying to protect the actual human beings who live there, and not some idea in his head of what it could be. It's not just a philosophical disagreement; Fisk is actively a terrible human being. I suppose you could also argue that Matt is also pretty terrible (although I'd disagree), but what you really can't argue is that Fisk is in any sense of the word a good guy.

IDK if that's even remotely coherent.

*nods nods* I agree. They set up really strong parallels between Matt and Fisk, but the thing of it is it falls apart really fast when you dig down. It's all surface, and they're both capable of doing terrible things, but they're capable of doing terrible things for different reasons and with different targets. Matt's named after a gift of god archangel, that's not an accident on the writer's part, and in the bible the angels weren't nice creatures with fluffy white wings, they were warriors who burned with righteous rage. Sorry, I'm getting off tangent, but yes, I agree with you. Wilson is there to be brilliant and to counterpoint Matt and also to red herring the audience a little and I think it worked. I thought he was a fantastic villain, and I would have been crushed if Matt had been shown going against a moustache twirler I WILL GET YOU, DAREDEVIL Fisk, that would have sucked. This option is so much better.

Unpopular opinion:

Matt did not kill Nobu, and he certainly didn't need to save him from that fire.

I completely agree.

I'm not sure how he could have saved him from that fire, anyhow.

That's kind of weird because I thought the popular opinion is that Nobu accidentally killed himself? I do see some people being all 'Matt should feel guilty about killing Nobu and doesn't but he feels bad about trying to kill Fisk? THAT IS RACISM, MATT IS RACIST' which makes me want to pat their opinions in the most condescending way possible, but most people I see actually understand what happened in that scene.

ayrt

Oh wow, I wish I could come across the later type, because all I've seen so far are the "Matt is a racist murderer" type of posts and I'm like: THE GUY WAS TRYING TO KILL MATT LOL

lolol I think we're cruising two very different sets of folks in fandom. The ONLY place I ever see that 'Matt is a racist murderer' hilarity is on tumblr and here on the km, and it seems like a very small circle of friends who all agree with each other very loudly. I kept them on my dash for a little while until they also became the same group of people who were bashing prompts and fills from here and publicly posting excerpts and screenshots of 'bad' DD fanfics on AO3 and that's when I cut them loose. The vaaaast majority of this fandom has been so good and friendly and fun and rational, and I'm glad for that.

Just block them, anon :-)

Ayrt

I thought he soaked him with propellant on purpose though? I mean, it definitely struck me as more of a last-ditch 'get him away from me' kind of thing and not deliberate murderer, but yeah.

Clearly I have to rewatch that scene. Such a hardship. :-P

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