i think foggy doesn't really realize that some of the things he says or does can be construed as creepy or oblivious because he doesn't know what it's like to be walking the streets of new york as a woman, y'know?
I can TOTALLY agree with you on the first half of that sentence, because I really do love Foggy, and I would hope at some point we do get to see him show a little character growth with respect to how he ignores boundaries. But I also don't think he's excused from crossing boundaries because he doesn't understand what it's like to be a woman (anywhere, not just NY). That's a little too close to excusing any man from crossing ANY boundary with a woman, just because he couldn't possibly understand what it's like to be in her shoes. And I think Foggy knows he crosses boundaries in some instances, maybe specific instances, but does it anyway because he wants what he wants.
When he's in the bar with Karen and he sees her NEEDING that shot of liquor and throwing it back like a pro, he starts prodding her for info and she asks him to leave it alone. And he tells her he's not good at that, he's not good at leaving things alone, and he presses her anyway. She does give in to him and speak up, yes, and maybe that's why Foggy doesn't know how to respect when someone says no, hush, I don't want to talk about this because Karen and Matt both give in to him when he pushes. We see him do some of that to Matt in the flashbacks, too, and especially when he's super angry at Matt for being DD which, hey, he has every right to be angry, but Foggy being angry equates to him also being entitled to ALL Matt's secrets 'and don't you dare leave a damn thing out', and then dismiss whatever he doesn't agree with or understand. Foggy is a NICELY fleshy character with faults and strengths and vices and good intentions (road to hell, etc), and is a 'work in progress.' :) I adore him. And I can totally agree with some of your perspective, nonny, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the rest.
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I can TOTALLY agree with you on the first half of that sentence, because I really do love Foggy, and I would hope at some point we do get to see him show a little character growth with respect to how he ignores boundaries. But I also don't think he's excused from crossing boundaries because he doesn't understand what it's like to be a woman (anywhere, not just NY). That's a little too close to excusing any man from crossing ANY boundary with a woman, just because he couldn't possibly understand what it's like to be in her shoes. And I think Foggy knows he crosses boundaries in some instances, maybe specific instances, but does it anyway because he wants what he wants.
When he's in the bar with Karen and he sees her NEEDING that shot of liquor and throwing it back like a pro, he starts prodding her for info and she asks him to leave it alone. And he tells her he's not good at that, he's not good at leaving things alone, and he presses her anyway. She does give in to him and speak up, yes, and maybe that's why Foggy doesn't know how to respect when someone says no, hush, I don't want to talk about this because Karen and Matt both give in to him when he pushes. We see him do some of that to Matt in the flashbacks, too, and especially when he's super angry at Matt for being DD which, hey, he has every right to be angry, but Foggy being angry equates to him also being entitled to ALL Matt's secrets 'and don't you dare leave a damn thing out', and then dismiss whatever he doesn't agree with or understand. Foggy is a NICELY fleshy character with faults and strengths and vices and good intentions (road to hell, etc), and is a 'work in progress.' :) I adore him. And I can totally agree with some of your perspective, nonny, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the rest.