Is he lying? I have the feeling he's self-deluded. Every time he lays hands on someone to hurt them he gets a creeper grin on his face, a predator smile. When he strangles Ben, he's got such a cat with cream face, ugh. And when Matt is half-dead and stupidly challenges him, Fisk looks thrilled, he's bouncing on his toes for a second. And when he strangles Matt up against the wall and throws him down (good thing he didn't just keep him up there because that was the same double-fisted throat grab he used on Ben) he looks like he just had sex and needs a cigarette and is disappointed Matt couldn't get back up. I really do get the sense that Fisk honestly loves to hurt or dominate people, at least everyone who isn't Vanessa. Am I seeing that wrong?
Fisk says he takes no pleasure in giving pain