(just fyi I'm gonna reply to everything here and drop the spoiler space since we probably don't need it any more :D)
No worries! Such is life. Let me know what you thought of those two episodes! o/
The first DD comics - Ohh wow. "Soap opera crack" sounds right. That is... incredible amounts of unnecessary drama. "OTL It sounds like they kinda revived it for Daredevil Yellow, too (which I read a while ago, so I can't remember it all that well, but I remember not enjoying the role Karen was shoved into there either). As awkward as the dynamic between Nelson, Murdock & Page can be in the show sometimes, I can say I definitely prefer the show's version.
SPEAKING OF THE SHOW. That whole face-touching thing, hahaha. The first time I saw it, I think I had a totally different reaction to probably most of the fandom - it made me ship them as an OT3 like CRAZY, lmao. It was only after I read a few fandom posts about it and then rewatched the scene that I realized how weird it actually was, and how much it probably sucked for Foggy. D': Looking back, I must have had some serious shipper goggles on, but I had the impression that at the time of the date, Karen had a light crush on Matt and hadn't really noticed Foggy, while Foggy was mostly exasperated at Matt's attractiveness to women. Then they both seemed surprised by (and then surprisingly interested in) the impromptu date with each other, but also both a teeny bit hung-up on Matt - I mean, they talked about him so much! He was basically there in spirit, even if his body was still busy in the bombings. So when the face-touching happened, it felt to me like some bizarre excuse to touch each other without dropping the subject of Matt. I don't think Karen really thought it through. It seemed more like the idea just occurred to her in that moment and, as she often is, she was just more tenacious about it than most people would be.
...But like I said, shipper goggles. My interpretation doesn't make heaps of sense, admittedly. Emotionally, I'm still a little bit "omg yesss ot3!". Objectively, I think the surrogate-Matt angle was still the intention, given Karen's facial expressions when they were talking about it, and it was maybe written in to establish a love triangle, or at least establish Karen's attraction to Matt, at Foggy's expense. So I don't blame you at all for being put off by it.
Back to the comics: Yes, Matt's dynamics with Nat and Elektra are great! I've read more of Matt and Elektra, and I love it when they work together, whether in battle or just sparring. I also have a huge soft spot for Matt/Natasha because there was this one part in the Black Widow comics where... I think Natasha was daydreaming or dreaming or something? she was on a cruise with Matt and they were both so happy and omg. I don't know much about their relationship other than that, though...
I can't wait until Elektra turns up. I have my worries, but at the same time, all the interviews are giving off goooood vibes for me. I'm here for everything that you said - her manipulating Matt, pulling him into unhealthy stuff (sorry Matt), basically messing his life up while he's just holding on for the ride. omg, and Kingpin having something to do with it all behind the scenes! I was also imagining it from the angle of Elektra being hired to kill Daredevil, then her discovering later that it's Matt. But then, Elodie's interview also said Elektra first appeared because she "misses Matt", so... who knows!
I think S2 will have an even greater focus on only the world of Daredevil. With the success of both DD and JJ, and with how unexpected S2 was, Marvel will probably be more relaxed about trying to push the Defenders. That said, a couple of Easter Eggs slipped in a la Stilt-Man would still be fun. But yeah, whatever happens, it looks like it's gonna be awesome!
Re: DD viewing #2139 and noticing new things
No worries! Such is life. Let me know what you thought of those two episodes! o/
The first DD comics - Ohh wow. "Soap opera crack" sounds right. That is... incredible amounts of unnecessary drama. "OTL It sounds like they kinda revived it for Daredevil Yellow, too (which I read a while ago, so I can't remember it all that well, but I remember not enjoying the role Karen was shoved into there either). As awkward as the dynamic between Nelson, Murdock & Page can be in the show sometimes, I can say I definitely prefer the show's version.
SPEAKING OF THE SHOW. That whole face-touching thing, hahaha. The first time I saw it, I think I had a totally different reaction to probably most of the fandom - it made me ship them as an OT3 like CRAZY, lmao. It was only after I read a few fandom posts about it and then rewatched the scene that I realized how weird it actually was, and how much it probably sucked for Foggy. D': Looking back, I must have had some serious shipper goggles on, but I had the impression that at the time of the date, Karen had a light crush on Matt and hadn't really noticed Foggy, while Foggy was mostly exasperated at Matt's attractiveness to women. Then they both seemed surprised by (and then surprisingly interested in) the impromptu date with each other, but also both a teeny bit hung-up on Matt - I mean, they talked about him so much! He was basically there in spirit, even if his body was still busy in the bombings. So when the face-touching happened, it felt to me like some bizarre excuse to touch each other without dropping the subject of Matt. I don't think Karen really thought it through. It seemed more like the idea just occurred to her in that moment and, as she often is, she was just more tenacious about it than most people would be.
...But like I said, shipper goggles. My interpretation doesn't make heaps of sense, admittedly. Emotionally, I'm still a little bit "omg yesss ot3!". Objectively, I think the surrogate-Matt angle was still the intention, given Karen's facial expressions when they were talking about it, and it was maybe written in to establish a love triangle, or at least establish Karen's attraction to Matt, at Foggy's expense. So I don't blame you at all for being put off by it.
Back to the comics: Yes, Matt's dynamics with Nat and Elektra are great! I've read more of Matt and Elektra, and I love it when they work together, whether in battle or just sparring. I also have a huge soft spot for Matt/Natasha because there was this one part in the Black Widow comics where... I think Natasha was daydreaming or dreaming or something? she was on a cruise with Matt and they were both so happy and omg. I don't know much about their relationship other than that, though...
I can't wait until Elektra turns up. I have my worries, but at the same time, all the interviews are giving off goooood vibes for me. I'm here for everything that you said - her manipulating Matt, pulling him into unhealthy stuff (sorry Matt), basically messing his life up while he's just holding on for the ride. omg, and Kingpin having something to do with it all behind the scenes! I was also imagining it from the angle of Elektra being hired to kill Daredevil, then her discovering later that it's Matt. But then, Elodie's interview also said Elektra first appeared because she "misses Matt", so... who knows!
I think S2 will have an even greater focus on only the world of Daredevil. With the success of both DD and JJ, and with how unexpected S2 was, Marvel will probably be more relaxed about trying to push the Defenders. That said, a couple of Easter Eggs slipped in a la Stilt-Man would still be fun. But yeah, whatever happens, it looks like it's gonna be awesome!