o/ I'm going to comment a little upthread because we are wordy mofo's *high-five* and I had the chance to watch back to back episodes this weekend. Might take me a couple of days to get back in here, this responsible adult with a job thing sucks.
WRT your reaction to Karen in the comics, omg, yes, I don't even know how people went from watching the show to reading the comics because the characters are... both the same but also pretty different, Karen especially. You avoided the first DD run which is good, very good, because it starts out written by Stan Lee and he's got a great imagination but he writes crack. Sometimes slashy crack but mostly soap opera crack. A lot of it is about how much Karen is in love with Matt, and how Foggy loves Matt but is also jealous of him, particularly over Karen. The weirdly non-existent love triangle (that is kinda visible on the show) is in full effect for SO MANY ISSUES. Karen just wants to love and protect and take care of Matt (because he's hot and blind and if he ever said one encouraging word to her she'd be all over him) but Matt never pays her any attention because he knows Foggy is into her, and also he thinks she deserves someone better, she'd never love Matt anyway, blah blah blah. Karen has a crush on Daredevil, Karen is in love with Matt, but then she finds out Matt is Daredevil and her emotions immediately turn into NO, YOU ARE BLIND, STOP THIS NONSENSE, QUIT RIGHT NOW. The comic is definitely a product of its time and it gets worse before it gets better.
All of this to say that I'm sorry Kevin Smith fridged Karen, but I was relieved to see her out of the picture. I looooved Matt and Natasha Romanoff, they were a good pairing and they were ridiculously badass together, their relationship was more equal, and DD and Elektra were always fun when they were fighting together (hell, they're fun when they're fighting against each other) but I had suuuch hardcore NO feelings about comics Karen. Kudos to the show for getting me past that Karen to embracing the MCU Karen, like massive kudos, it's a miracle.
I will say the whole face-touching thing with Foggy put me off of Karen the first time I saw it, though, and that's one of the things I've never gotten over. Such a dick move, and my heart pretty much broke for Foggy. I can never decide if Karen did it on purpose trying to communicate that she wasn't interested in Foggy or she genuinely was using Foggy to surrogate for Matt? Like, who does that? But it's kinda hard to see that scene is a more positive light and I keep hoping I'm missing something! So if you have an opinion that's different, I'd love to hear it.
Re: DD viewing #2139 and noticing new things
WRT your reaction to Karen in the comics, omg, yes, I don't even know how people went from watching the show to reading the comics because the characters are... both the same but also pretty different, Karen especially. You avoided the first DD run which is good, very good, because it starts out written by Stan Lee and he's got a great imagination but he writes crack. Sometimes slashy crack but mostly soap opera crack. A lot of it is about how much Karen is in love with Matt, and how Foggy loves Matt but is also jealous of him, particularly over Karen. The weirdly non-existent love triangle (that is kinda visible on the show) is in full effect for SO MANY ISSUES. Karen just wants to love and protect and take care of Matt (because he's hot and blind and if he ever said one encouraging word to her she'd be all over him) but Matt never pays her any attention because he knows Foggy is into her, and also he thinks she deserves someone better, she'd never love Matt anyway, blah blah blah. Karen has a crush on Daredevil, Karen is in love with Matt, but then she finds out Matt is Daredevil and her emotions immediately turn into NO, YOU ARE BLIND, STOP THIS NONSENSE, QUIT RIGHT NOW. The comic is definitely a product of its time and it gets worse before it gets better.
All of this to say that I'm sorry Kevin Smith fridged Karen, but I was relieved to see her out of the picture. I looooved Matt and Natasha Romanoff, they were a good pairing and they were ridiculously badass together, their relationship was more equal, and DD and Elektra were always fun when they were fighting together (hell, they're fun when they're fighting against each other) but I had suuuch hardcore NO feelings about comics Karen. Kudos to the show for getting me past that Karen to embracing the MCU Karen, like massive kudos, it's a miracle.
I will say the whole face-touching thing with Foggy put me off of Karen the first time I saw it, though, and that's one of the things I've never gotten over. Such a dick move, and my heart pretty much broke for Foggy. I can never decide if Karen did it on purpose trying to communicate that she wasn't interested in Foggy or she genuinely was using Foggy to surrogate for Matt? Like, who does that? But it's kinda hard to see that scene is a more positive light and I keep hoping I'm missing something! So if you have an opinion that's different, I'd love to hear it.